wired network - do i need a router or switch or both?

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  1. damien2005

    damien2005 New Member

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    I'm finally getting my boxes on a wired network. I bought a Netgear ethernet switch. Hooked it up to the computer...everything's good. I plugged in the crossover cable I had connected to my other tivo box into the switch. Followed the instructions to assign the ip address, etc. Keep getting the "no gateway is found" message. Is that because its looking for a router?
     
  2. dcollens

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    If you don't have a router then that would be your problem. The router is probably all that you need rather than the switch. If you are going to be using the switch it would be behind the router which is behind your cable modem.
     
  3. RoyK

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    Don't use a crossover cable! You must use a straight-thru cable with a switch/hub/router.
     
  4. jlb

    jlb Go Pats!

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    Yeah. IIRC, I Think the crossover cable would be used to directly connect two TiVos together.
     
  5. mick66

    mick66 Dirty Burger

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    I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but I've been wondering about the x-over cable thing lately. A few years back I had a ReplayTV and it was connected to my PC via x-over cable to share my PC's internet connection. six months a go I decided to go with a wired network for my Tivos. Recently I decided to also connect my laptop in the living room by wire. Everything was working fine and then I remembered that the cable connected to the laptop was that old x-over cable. I swapped it out with the cable from my ethernet switch (that my Tivos are connected to) and the Tivos still worked.

    So why does it work when everyone says it won't?
     
  6. RoyK

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    Good question since the crossover cable swaps input and output pairs between ends. Can you sketch a couple of diagrams?
     
  7. rvholland

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    Many modern switches auto-sense the type of connection and adapt to effectively add a cross-over on the connection or not depending on the type of device plugged in.
     
  8. damien2005

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    thanks for the help all! on my way to radio shack now to get a router and cable. :)
     
  9. RoyK

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    Ahh yes, that would make sense.
     
  10. damien2005

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    so wait...before i drop 40 bucks on a straight thru, are you saying i could use my crossover with a router?
     
  11. RoyK

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    If rvholland is correct then it's a definite maybe. It would depend on the router. I've never owned one that contains the autosense that he mentions. I don't doubt that some new ones have it so the answer would be that it depends on the router.

    In general crossovers are used to connect two computers (a TiVo is, of course, a computer) without using an additional device such as a switch or router (which usually contains a switch btw).

    You should be able to find a cable for much less than $40. Walmart lists them for less than $10.

    If you already have a long crossover cable pulled you can probably get away with buying another short crossover cable (say 3 ft) and a cable coupler (you plug two lengths of cable into the coupler to make a longer cable) to crossover the cable a second time.
     
  12. damien2005

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    guess it won't hurt to try the crossover. i'll get a router today and try it out. if i do have to get the straight, are you talking about the 50 foot belkin cat 5e that i'm looking at on the website for 9.98?
     
  13. RoyK

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    That should work fine. .
     
  14. damien2005

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    thanks roy. i'll post a follow-up tonite.
     
  15. jbernardis

    jbernardis Active Member

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    A router is used to interconnect your internal network with the internet; a simple router only has two connectors - one for your local network and one for the WAN.

    A switch (or hub) is used to interconnect all of the computers/TiVos in your network. They typically have 4 or 8 connectors for all of your computers and may have wireless capabilitites as well. Most "routers" are actually router/switch combinations.

    Although most modern switches can sense a cross-over cable, purely speaking you do not need a cross-over cable in this instance. Use a straight-thru cable instead.
     
  16. damien2005

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    Update...I got a Linksys wired router and a straight thru cable. Established the network - no problem. Everytime I go thru the tivo setup, I keep getting the N13 error code. I know its me...what am I doing wrong?
     
  17. RoyK

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    According to this Error N13 means that either the TiVo service is not answering or the TiVo has a problem connecting to the internet. Lets see if we can figure out what's happening.

    First please describe your setup exactly. It should be something like this

    1. Cable or DSL modem connected to CATV cable or phone line.

    2. WAN port on router connected to modem with straight thru cable.

    3. PC connected to one port on router. TiVo USB to ethernet adapter (if your TiVo doesn't have an ethernet jack) connected to another router port - both with straight cables.

    4. Ethernet adapter connected to TiVo USB Port. PLEASE GIVE US YOUR TiVo model and ethernet adapter model.

    Assuming this is true your PC should be able to configure your router by using your browser to connect to http://192.168.1.1.

    For now turn all encryption on the router off (wireless router only) and set your router to obtain IP automatically. Reset the modem first by unplugging it, waiting 30 sec and plugging it back in.Wait a few minutes then do the same with your router.


    Can you connect to the internet with the PC through the router? (I assume so since you are posting here)
     
  18. damien2005

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    Setup is exactly how you described. Tivo model series 2 with a Netgear FA120 ethernet adapter. The router is set to obtain IP automatically. I reset the modem and the router. Still getting the N13. :confused:
     
  19. RoyK

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    OK. Your FA120 is not a model that TiVo has tested (link but it is one of those reported to work.

    On the TiVo menu go to settings/phone & Network. What connection info is listed at the top right of the screen (particularly IP)?
     
  20. damien2005

    damien2005 New Member

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    type: wired adapter
    IP: 192.168.1.100
     

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