WinMFS sees no drives

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  1. mikestanley

    mikestanley New Member

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    I downloaded and am trying WinMFS Beta Build 9.3f.

    I'm running it on a physical Windows 8.1 machine (tried it via USB-SATA on a VM on my Mac and didn't see the drive) and while the drive itself is seen by Windows, WinMFS shows no drives at all for A & B, even when I check Show Mounted Drives.

    Following advice in another thread, I made a partition on the 2TB WD20EURX and ensured I could copy data to it. WinMFS still doesn't see it. The drive is connected via internal SATA cable and both the computer and Windows seem to see it and work with it just fine.

    I also ran the extended diagnostics off UBCD before I tried any of this - confirmed it has no errors. Also confirmed the Idle Timer is disabled.

    I am trying to restore 652m.tbk to this 2TB WD drive, but don't know if I need to do something else to load the image into WinMFS to then place it on the 2TB WD drive.

    Am I using an old version of WinMFS? Any other suggestions?
     
  2. mikestanley

    mikestanley New Member

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    Forgot to mention I burned an MFSLive CD, disconnected all the drives from the PC but this WD 2TB drive, the DVD drive, and a USB key containing the 652m.bak/tbk images.

    When I boot to MFSLive, I know for a fact it sees the USB key because it's the last thing it recognizes, and it identifies the manufacturer, etc. I'm not sure if it sees the WD 2TB drive or not, and I'm not familiar enough with Linux to do much more than poke at it.

    I did some searches and tried to mount /dev/hda but that didn't work.
     
  3. mikestanley

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    Sorry - false alarm. I missed the "running as admin" part. I don't live full time in Windows, so I thought, "no problem, I'm an admin."

    Once I right-clicked on winmfs.exe and selected "Run as Administrator" - WinMFS was able to see my drive.

    I selected the 2TB WD, then did a Restore of 652m.tbk onto it. Told it not to expand. Looked at it in mfsinfo, saw the 1.7TB Apple free partition, and did mfsadd, but screwed up and told it to yes, limit it to 1TB.

    So I restored again, and said no at that point. Now I have a nice giant 1.7TB 15th zone/partition and think I'll be good to go to install this in my Tivo HD.

    Thanks for all the help, and especially to Unitron for patiently explaining things over and over to born again noobs like me. :)
     
  4. unitron

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    You might find this thread:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=535260

    of interest. Please go read it and then post the numbers on the label on your WD20EURX and tell me where you got it and when, and if it was "mail-order", from what geographical location it was shipped and by what shipping company.
     
  5. mikestanley

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    Not sure which numbers you mean, but here's a slew of them:

    MDL: WH20EURX - 64HYZY0
    DATE: 10 APR 2015
    DCM: HANNHTJMHB
    DCX: YN09647XT
    R/N: 771945

    WWN: 50014EE20BEC2666

    It was shipped by Amazon via USPS from Fort Worth, TX.

    Does that help?

    I hope this one works fine once I put it in my Tivo HD. My issue, at least within WinMFS, seemed to be user error in that I forgot to "run as Admin".

    I left out the hour or more I spent swapping cables and booting into Windows 8.1 vs 2012 R2 over and over, all the while just happily double-clicking on winmfs.exe and thinking since I AM an admin, it would run it with admin privileges. Gotta love Windows.
     
  6. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, yours is 2 months older than mine, which came via UPS from newegg (though from a non-newegg warehouse), and the only fully matching number seems to be

    R/N: 771945

    though I have no idea what to what it refers.
     
  7. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    Once you boot from the MFS Live cd, you enter

    fdisk -l

    and hit Enter, and it should come back with info on all the hard drives it sees, though sometimes if it gets to a cd drive first it chokes on that because the cd will respond to ATA inquiries, but it won't return the kind of answers a hard drive would that

    fdisk

    is expecting.


    But if

    fdisk -l

    works like it should it'll tell you if your drive is

    /dev/sda

    or

    /dev/sdb


    or whatever, or if it's a PATA/IDE drive instead of SATA

    /dev/hda

    or whatever, and then you know what name the drive was assigned by the version of Linux on which you're running at that moment.
     
  8. unitron

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    unitron Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to assume that instead of WH20EURX you meant WD20EURX.


    Did you ever get it to work?
     
  10. mikestanley

    mikestanley New Member

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    Yeah, sorry, just typo'ed it.

    And yes, it seems to be working fine. I'd forgotten I'd need to do a clear and delete once I booted up my Tivo with the drive running your image, but once I did that it stopped telling me there was a hardware issue and seems to be fine. 287 hours of HD recording.

    I saved at least $100 by going the DIY route, which is a good thing this time of year. :)

    Thanks!
     
  11. zekeman

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    I have 2:

    Both are
    model WD20EURXSP
    MFG No: WD20EURX

    S/N
    1) WCC4M0AC0YYZ
    2) WCC4M2FEJL5A

    Z
     
  12. unitron

    unitron Well-Known Member

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    What are the manufacturing dates?
     
  13. peddlerdavid

    peddlerdavid New Member

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    I've been lurking on this site for the past month in preparation to replace the 1.0TB WD hard drive in my Tivo HD that bit the dust. Long story short, I could not get WinMFS to recognize any drives. I'm not at liberty to remove the drives from my laptop so WinMFS was the way for me to go. As you mention, the first step in every one of the many posts on replacing drives says "run as administrator". Well, I am logged in as an administrator on the computer and as an administrator I am running (double clicking) the WinMFS program. In hours and hours of searching and contacting tech support for the drive dock I purchased I haven't found the little nugget you just shared. I too had never heard of right clicking and selecting "run as administrator". That was just not in my (admittedly small) toolbox. Cheers. Thanks for sharing that nugget. Now I'm on my way at last.

    While I'm at it, I want to send out a big thanks to the Tivo Community members who have taken the time to share their knowledge and experiences with special mention to Unitron and of course Spike for putting together WinMFS and sharing it with the community.
     
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  14. peddlerdavid

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    I ordered a WD20EURS from an Amazon partner. The listing and invoice said WD20EURS, but the drive itself was a WD20EURX and came in a plain cardboard box wrapped only in bubble wrap. I've read some of unitron's comments about the WD20EURX (the reason I ordered the WD20EURS). With my inability to get WinMFS to recognize drives I went ahead and had the Sabrent EC-HDD2 drive dock make a clone of my drive which had stopped working. The resulting WD20EURX works great, but only has ~157 hours of HD recording (corresponding to the 1TB capacity of the WD20EURS that was in the unit when I bought it). I'll open the box back up and run WinMFS on the WD20EURX to Supersize it. When I do I'll share the numbers here.

    I initiated a return of the drive with the Amazon seller already. What's the current thinking about these WD20EURX drives? Should I keep it or send it back in for a WD20EURS?
     
  15. unitron

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    If you'd actually gotten an EURS it almost certainly would not be new old stock with the full 3 year WD warranty, but something used, refurbished, or taken out of a WD external drive, and therefore with no WD warranty whatsoever.

    I wonder where your EURX came from and whether WD would recognize it as being under any sort of warranty.

    That said, I'd really like to know the date of manufacture on it.

    Also, on which version of Windows are you running WinMFS?

    WinMFS should be able to see drives attached via USB adapters, but only if Windows itself can see them.


    Supersize has nothing to do with TiVo drive expansion.

    It makes more space in the original partitions available by not letting the TiVo take more of that space when it notices that the overall size of the drive has increased.

    In the middle of the night TiVos tune to a station running paid programming, specifically something called TeleWorld paid programming, and record 30 minutes of that.

    When the TiVo offers to let you view video of a promo for some upcoming show or of a commercial for some product (the stuff you see at the bottom of TiVo Central from time to time), it's video that it first recorded from that paid programming.

    If you go into the Now Playing list you won't find it, because it's recorded onto hard drive space that's been set aside strictly for it, and that's not shown to the owner/user as the full 30 minute recording.

    Apparently the TiVo Operating System must set aside that space as a percentage of total hard drive space, which means that when you go from a 160GB or 250GB drive to a 2TB drive, it sets aside a lot more space than it really needs.

    Supersizing, via some method I don't know enough to understand how it does it, keeps that set aside space limited to what it was on the factory drive, which frees up the space it would have otherwise set aside to be used for recording shows.

    But if you copy an original drive to a bigger one, or restore an image (which will wind up taking up the same amount of space in the same number of partitions as the original one) to a drive that's bigger than the original, an examination of the partition map would show that the extra unpartitioned space would be listed as an Apple Free partition (that's right, unpartitioned space is a special kind of partition in the Apple Partition Map way of doing things, where the partition map itself is also a partition).

    Expansion, not Supersizing, is what turns that Apple Free partition into a third MFS partition pair (or if you're using WinMFS to copy an expanded drive to an even larger drive, takes that Apple Free partition and incorporates it into the already exisiting third MFS Media partition).


    One does expansion by itself as separate process with the

    mfsadd

    command, whether using WinMFS or the MFS Live cd.


    I recommend that one does expansion that way, by the way, since doing it as part of the copy or restore process sometimes fails and leaves you having to start all over again.

    I'd be curious to know if WinMFS can see that EURX now that it's actually a TiVo drive.

    Since you ordered an EURS and they sent something else, you do have grounds to return for a refund if you should choose to do so.


    If that plain cardboard box had the WDEURX model number printed on the outside of it as well as the serial number of that drive, then it should be a "straight from Western Digital" and you could try registering it by serial number with WD on their website to see if they acknowledge it as being covered by the 3 year warranty.
     
  16. peddlerdavid

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    Unitron, thanks so much for your thorough response.

    Here is the information on my WD20EURX drive I just installed in my HD:

    S/N WCC4M72FJJ6E
    MDL: WD20EURX-57T0FY0
    Date: 11 Dec 2014
    DCM: DHNNHTJCAB
    DCX: FH06879WJ
    R/N: 771945

    Purchased on Amazon from:
    Finity India
    5737 Kanan Rd #543
    Agoura Hills, CA 91301

    Received in a plain brown box with bubble wrap and invoice inside - no mfg box. Based on your recommendation I just went to the WD website to register the product and it tells me the serial number is invalid. What's up with that? I purchased the drive as a new product.

    When I saw the drive was not the model I ordered I immediately initiated a return, but decided to try it out. Since this isn't a new product I'm leaning toward returning. The price on NewEgg is only ~$15 more than what I paid.
     
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  17. peddlerdavid

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    Like I said the drive is working in the Tivo. My system information and recordings have all been copied. I attempted to expand the drive by doing an MFS add. I noted that the partitions were reconfigured (with 1 partition over 1 TB). However the hours of HD video only increased from 157 to 198. I was expecting closer to 300 hrs. Any idea why the full 2TB may not be available?

    Baseline partitions:
    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 8@309549120 ( 4.0K)
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309549128 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309557320 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 8@310081608 ( 4.0K)
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310081616 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310089808 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 614400@310614096 ( 300.0M)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@311228496 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311752784 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 137629696@171919424 ( 65.6G)
    12 MFS Second MFS application region 589824@312342608 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS Second MFS media region 171919360@64 ( 82.0G)
    14 MFS New MFS Application 4096@312932432 ( 2.0M)
    15 MFS New MFS Media 1640562688@312936528 ( 782.3G)
    16 Apple_Free Extra 25952@1953499216( 12.7M)

    Total SA SD Hours: 1040 Total DTV SD Hours: 908 0 % Free
    Software: 11.0m-01-2-652 Tivo Model: TCD652160

    Partitions after turning Supersize On:

    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 8@309549120 ( 4.0K)
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309549128 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309557320 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 8@310081608 ( 4.0K)
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310081616 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310089808 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 614400@310614096 ( 300.0M)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@311228496 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311752784 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 137629696@171919424 ( 65.6G)
    12 MFS Second MFS application region 589824@312342608 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS Second MFS media region 171919360@64 ( 82.0G)
    14 MFS New MFS Application 4096@312932432 ( 2.0M)
    15 MFS MFS Expanded by Winmfs 2147483647@312936528 (1024.0G)

    Total SA SD Hours: 1311 Total DTV SD Hours: 1144 22 % Free
    Software: 11.0m-01-2-652 Tivo Model: TCD652160


    Partitions after running MFSadd:

    Partition Maps
    #: type name length base ( size )
    1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63@1 ( 31.5K)
    2 Image Bootstrap 1 8@309549120 ( 4.0K)
    3 Image Kernel 1 8192@309549128 ( 4.0M)
    4 Ext2 Root 1 524288@309557320 ( 256.0M)
    5 Image Bootstrap 2 8@310081608 ( 4.0K)
    6 Image Kernel 2 8192@310081616 ( 4.0M)
    7 Ext2 Root 2 524288@310089808 ( 256.0M)
    8 Swap Linux swap 614400@310614096 ( 300.0M)
    9 Ext2 /var 524288@311228496 ( 256.0M)
    10 MFS MFS application region 589824@311752784 ( 288.0M)
    11 MFS MFS media region 137629696@171919424 ( 65.6G)
    12 MFS Second MFS application region 589824@312342608 ( 288.0M)
    13 MFS Second MFS media region 171919360@64 ( 82.0G)
    14 MFS New MFS Application 4096@312932432 ( 2.0M)
    15 MFS MFS Expanded by Winmfs 2147483647@312936528 (1024.0G)

    Total SA SD Hours: 1311 Total DTV SD Hours: 1144 22 % Free
     
  18. peddlerdavid

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    I'm running Windows 7
     
  19. jmbach

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    When you expanded the image, how did you answer the question to limit expansion to 1TB? You might want to try it against and read the question carefully. You do not want to limit the expansion to 1TB.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  20. unitron

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    Did someone else prepare that 1TB drive for you?

    It's got some differences from what I get copying a 652's 160GB drive to a 1TB and expanding--like 4K sectors instead of 512 Byte sectors.

    But I think the explanation for the missing space is that when the 1TB was copied to the 2TB, when the expansion was done, you inadvertently limited the partition created to 1TB, which got you

    15 MFS MFS Expanded by Winmfs 2147483647@312936528 (1024.0G)


    1024 decimal equals 1000 binary, or maybe it's the other way around, but anyway that's a 1TB partition.

    BUT, it incorporates the original

    15 MFS New MFS Media 1640562688@312936528 ( 782.3G)


    which means that you only added

    1024.0
    -782.3
    ______
    241.7

    to what you had with the 1TB drive.

    Why it's not showing a 16th partition, designated Apple Free, of around 750GB I don't know, but that's what you should have still un-expanded-into.



    Hope you haven't recorded anything you can't stand to lose onto that 2TB yet, 'cause the cure will wipe it out if you have to do what I think you'll have to do.


    Hook the 1TB and the 2TB back to the PC and launch WinMFS again.

    Go to select drive, and select the 2TB drive.

    Click on View, then click on

    mfsinfo


    See if this time it shows a big Apple Free partition on the end of the drive.

    Either way, back out of that, and then click on Tools,

    mfsadd

    If you're lucky it'll let you expand the expansion of the original expansion, and this time pay close attention to how you answer the question about a partition larger than 1TB (1000GB).

    If it won't let you expand anymore, you're going to have to start over.

    Click on File, Select Drive

    and select the 1TB drive.


    Click on Tools, and then on

    mfscopy

    and select the 2TB as the target drive.


    Put a check mark in the Custom Linux Swap Size box, and plug in 1000 for the value, just for cheap insurance--it's equal to about 15 minutes of video.

    DO NOT check the "No Optimized Partition Layout" checkbox, because you DO want the optimized partition layout.

    Click "Start"

    Eventually it will finish.

    When it does and tells you you have more space and asks if you want to expand, tell it NO.

    Then go back to File, Select Drive, and select the 2TB drive.

    Then click on View,

    mfsinfo

    and see if you don't have abou 1.7TB of Apple Free partition.

    If everything looks okay, go to Tools,

    mfsadd

    and when it talks about the partition being larger than 1TB, tell it to go ahead and make it over 1TB.

    Check with

    mfsinfo

    again.


    If it looks okay (15 partitions, a really big one on the end), then go ahead and hit Supersize.
     

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