Win 10 Fall Creators Update may disable Windows Media Player

Discussion in 'TiVo Home Media Features & TiVoToGo' started by dlfl, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    There is conflicting info on whether the Fall Creators update disables WMP. But even if it does there are numerous web sites providing the simple instructions for re-installing it, e.g.:
    Windows 10 update removes Windows Media Player [Update]

    I post this because some of us use WMP to view downloaded .tivo files. It would not be surprising if you have to uninstall/reinstall TiVo Desktop after the Fall update.
     
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  2. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    Per an update at the article:
     
  3. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    That update applies to the "Windows Insider build". Whether the WMP disable will be part of most users Fall Creators update isn't clear to me. Windows hasn't seen fit to push that update to my PC yet -- what determines when they do that is a mystery to me.

    At any rate the linked article provides the simple instructions for getting WMP back, if necessary.
     
  4. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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  5. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    I can say that Windows Media Player still exists in my copies of 10 with Fall Creator's Update, but (as per that other thread) I can no longer play MPEG2 in "Movies & TV" which I'd sort of thought of as the updated version of Windows Media Player.
     
  6. Mikeguy

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    I guess that I didn't see Microsoft's statement as to not removing WMP from Win10 as limited to an Insider edition.
     
  7. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    the migration to 1709 broke mpeg4 video transfers using tivo desktop 2.8.3 (only the audio file was being transferred).

    using the "repair" option in "programs and features" fixed the break.
     
  8. Puppy76

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    Wow, that's super weird! Would think Tivo Desktop would either work, or not work, not that it could somehow...well is it possible it...surely it was transferring everything, but somehow the decode thingee Tivo desktop installs wasn't working?
     
  9. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    the file sizes were tiny once the transfer was complete, that was the first clue.
     
  10. Puppy76

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    Wow, that is BIZARRE! Glad you got it working!
     
  11. HerronScott

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    That sounds like it was being transferred in PS mode versus TS mode (TS mode is required for MPEG4).

    Scott
     
  12. Puppy76

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    So I've tried to Bing this, and...it sounds like they're container formats. If I'm understanding this right, TV broadcasts (and I assume also cable?) are TS, so the TiVo would be writing down a TS stream from the airwaves...

    So how does that relate to using TiVo Desktop? I know there's a second transfer mode added to the later versions of TiVo Desktop, but it doesn't use the language TS or PS, it says something like "check here for faster downloads" or something like that. I've left that unchecked for my Bolt, as 1) the downloads are already crazy fast on my Bolt, and 2) I'm not sure if it hurts playback compatibility.
     
  13. NorthAlabama

    NorthAlabama tabasco rules

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    it was a program damaged during the os migration, fixed by uninstalling/reinstalling the software. ts mode had never been disabled in the settings, so if the setting changed, it was done in the background.
     
  14. wmcbrine

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    TD's "faster transfers" = TS mode, default is PS.
     
  15. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    Huh...interesting! Would the "faster transfers"/TS mode mean the file sizes end up larger? Does it break compatibility with anything?

    File transfers are already lightning fast (excuse the pun) on the Bolt with "normal"/PS mode. I regularly see over 30MB/s. Stuff that took literally the better part of the day on my TiVo HD now takes <1 hour. Not worth upgrading for me for that, but it is a nice benefit!
     
  16. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    Slightly, with MPEG2. Very much, with h.264, since those transfer as audio-only in PS mode.

    TS files don't work with classic tivodecode (and present ongoing issues with newer decoders).
     
  17. HerronScott

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    For what it's worth, I didn't have that issue with the upgrade on my laptop.

    Scott
     
  18. Puppy76

    Puppy76 Well-Known Member

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    At least one of my desktops TiVo Desktop took forever to load the first time after Fall Creator's Update, and then forced me to renter my MAK, but after that acted normal (thankfully!)
     
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  19. rad1701

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    I'm also having trouble using Windows Media Player to play .tivo files now. I can't easily advance to a part of the video. It seems to sort of lock up at times. Is there a fix for this or a better player out there for .tivo files on my Win 10 PC?
     

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