Will you upgrade to a Series 4?

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by TexasGrillChef, Mar 2, 2010.

Will you get a new S4?

  1. Yes, Will replace a S1 or S2 with this new S4

    54 vote(s)
  2. Yes, Will replace a S3/HD/HDXL

    49 vote(s)
  3. Yes, Will be an additional TiVo to system(s)

    43 vote(s)
  4. No. Abosolutely not.

    268 vote(s)
  5. Undecided

    173 vote(s)
  1. Mar 3, 2010 #81 of 192

    pdbreen New Member

    Aug 8, 2007


    Just learned that my Series3 isn't lifetime (wasn't offered at the time of purchase) and the 3-year pre-pay expires in June. Given that I have lifetime on 2 earlier units (which have since found new homes), I think I will pull the trigger and get a Premiere. The sluggish UI on the Series3 has been annoying for a long time - and, I still hold out hope that features such as DLNA will be added in the future, just as Netflix was in the past.

    Now, just need to figure out if it's worth the extra $200 for the XL (with the 3d glasses!)
  2. Mar 3, 2010 #82 of 192

    freediverdude New Member

    Jul 26, 2006
    From what I understand, the glasses are for calibrating the display, lol. My outdated S2DT already does the Amazon Unbox and Rhapsody music......what's all that new and revolutionary about this again?
  3. Mar 3, 2010 #83 of 192

    dbtom Member

    Feb 14, 2002
    New York City
    The glasses are for the THX calibration. Sorry no 3D :( At least with those glasses.
  4. Mar 3, 2010 #84 of 192

    csm10495 Badoop Badoop!

    Nov 15, 2008
    Yeah i began to figure that, but 3D might have been fun if that kind of programing was ever widely available :p
  5. Mar 3, 2010 #85 of 192

    n0pa New Member

    Aug 29, 2006


    No. For for a number of reasons, but the main one being that there is no more 30 second skip. It is now a 30 second slip. It's the same "Feature" that Direct TV has. I don't really enjoy it. For the extra eye candy, I don't think the PIA of the slip is worth it.

    I can handle my S3 not being 1080p or having the latest interface, but I truly enjoy the 30 second skip and being able to fly through commercial breaks.
  6. Mar 3, 2010 #86 of 192

    KyleLC Unregistered User

    Feb 6, 2002
    Sugar Land, TX
    You misunderstood my post. I was replying to shiftless's post (that I quoted) about being able to transfer lifetime to the Series 3 when it first came out. He said you could transfer lifetime from the Series 2 to the Series 3 and did not mention the Series 1, which they also allowed you to transfer from at that time. I was just telling him about that.

    From what I have seen in the news so far, there will be no option to transfer lifetime from older TiVos to the Series 4, but of course TiVo can always change their minds.
  7. Mar 3, 2010 #87 of 192

    jonja New Member

    Feb 22, 2007
    I honestly don't find the "Lifetimer" discount to be that great. If you called Tivo directly, you could always get the equivalent of this deal--$200 off of lifetime for a new Tivo HD.

    Last year as a Tivo subscriber, I had no difficulty getting a Tivo HD for $200 (that's $100 off of list price of $299) and Lifetime for $299 (that's $100 off of list price of $399). So without much difficulty--just a phone call---you could get $200 off a new Tivo HD with Lifetime. I had a friend who pulled the exact same deal for himself (that's where I got the idea. But you have to call).

    So, with a Tivo Premiere, you get nothing off on the unit, but you get $200 off of Lifetime? Same deal, only you don't need to call to get it. Sorry, but big deal. Terrible upgrade pricing for such a marginal upgrade.

    I will keep and cherish my Tivo HD with Lifetime for many years to come, and will make sure it keeps running forever. I put an internal 1TB WD DVR drive in it recently--awesome! But I won't be buying another Tivo.

    I am already checking out Boxee Box for all of the things my Tivo and PS3 refuse to do (though technically could do).
  8. Mar 3, 2010 #88 of 192
    Corran Horn

    Corran Horn Member

    Feb 12, 2002
    What would Tivo's motivation for that be? As a lifetime subscriber Tivo already has my money. They're not getting the annuity from me that a monthly subscription would bring. If Tivo offered, this, what's the most they'd make out of me? Another couple hundred bucks? Probably not worth it from their perspective.
  9. Mar 3, 2010 #89 of 192
    That Don Guy

    That Don Guy Now with more GB

    Mar 13, 2003
    Benicia, CA
    I will "upgrade" only if I need to replace one of my TiVos (an S3 and an HDXL). Since both have lifetime subs, there's no real incentive for me to pay that much money, especially as I doubt there will be any particularly inexpensive way to transfer one of the lifetime subs.

    Maybe - maybe - if they added some additional functionality for the keyboard remote, like the ability to change a recording's title (especially useful for manual recordings where the guide said one thing but you actually were recording something else), I would consider it more. However, I will try to hold out for a 2-way device so I don't have to pay my cable company another $7/month just to watch its OnDemand shows on the same TV as my TiVo.

    -- Don
  10. Mar 3, 2010 #90 of 192

    csm10495 Badoop Badoop!

    Nov 15, 2008
    In addition to the money, it would prove good to make sure everyone is happy so that consumers will continue buying their product instead of switching to another one (maybe one without any monthly fees or has 3 tuners)

    Happy customers mean free positive advertisement to their friends (who may then become more subscribers)

    they should do a better job at giving back to their loyal S3 fans because Generic DVR is catching up, i heard fios DVR was really good, and in that case no upfront costs

    All In All : There are alternative DVR Services (cough) media center, moxi (cough)
  11. Mar 3, 2010 #91 of 192

    rhoops New Member

    Jan 7, 2005
    My current, and only TiVo is a 2004 Series 2. I ordered a Series4 XL with Lifetime today. I was ready to order a Series 3 last month, but thanks to the hints on this forum, I dragged my feet.

    I would like to have seen more features and capability. I wonder about the e-SATA capability. Will we be able to use off-the-shelf e-SATA drive, or will we have to by a "special" one?
  12. Mar 3, 2010 #92 of 192

    Dr_Zoidberg Member

    Jan 4, 2004
    If they had found a way to get Tru2Way cooperation from the cable companies, or at the very least, offered up something to replace the external SDV tuner AND had internal wireless (G or N), then I'd be pre-ordering one right now.

    Seriously though, is there anyone out there who has had a flawless SDV tuner experience? It's a major irritant for me.
  13. Mar 3, 2010 #93 of 192

    Grumock New Member

    Dec 16, 2008
    don't think there is such a thing as flawless. LOL
  14. Mar 3, 2010 #94 of 192

    Joe3 Active Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    As I stated in another thread:

    TiVo, we have a problem, maybe!

    I have been trying to get my head around this tech company's big deal announcement, but couldn’t quiet put my finger on what is going on until now.

    TiVo is no longer a leading edge tech company and the economic rescission we are in is covering up for what otherwise would be obvious.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the CPU capacity existed for an HD IU at the introduction of the Series 3. The capacity should have been built into the Series 3 when it came not now in the Series 4. The Series 4 is using a duel core processor that just about covers the HD IU.

    Why is TiVo not building its box to the edge of today’s high tech processors and technology? I believe that they have abandoned not so much their customers but their status as being cutting edge high tech for a Marketing plan that is more IBM than Apple. This is the uninspired, not turned on, disappointed hole they leave in everyone's gut when introduce their product.

    Instead letting the technology set the limit of their box, they are allowing their marketing people to artificially set tech limits that they can control by holding back some of the latest tech. They blame Hollywood and their content restriction which have nothing to with the tech that always leap frogs over what Hollywood is complaining about. They blame the consumer as not being able to afford the cutting edge stuff that should be in their boxes anyway by over charging for last years tech, keeping the TiVo faithful on their marketing meat hook. So you will see today’s latest tech in tomorrow’s Series 5 and it will again be disappointing but not enough for most to be knocked off the marketing hook. They disappoint because they are purposefully behind the tech curve in an outdated and old adoptive marketing model.

    My theory is that they are always going to disappoint because they are now more a marketing company than tech. However, this may be the beginning of the end for TiVo because the high tech gap they are willing to give up for a manipulative marketing strategy makes them extremely vulnerable for a smaller high tech company to take their dominance away.

    Just a thought!
  15. Mar 3, 2010 #95 of 192

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2001
    I don't know if it would be possible to build some HD interface on the S3 platform's CPU, but IIRC the Broadcom CPU/Mpeg decoder combo chip that is at the heart of the S3 boxes was the most powerful such Broadcom had avalible when the S3 platform was being designed.

    (By the time the S3 released Broadcom had just started producing, in very limited quantities, a newer faster chip. But if the S3 had be redesigned to use it and therefore had to wait until enough were avalible for manifacturing, it would probably have been 6-8 months delayed :eek:)

    Now if TiVo had been willing to go with a much more expensive non-intengrated chipset then sure, there were plenty of computer CPUs avalible with the horsepower to run pretty much any UI you'd like.
  16. Mar 3, 2010 #96 of 192

    wierdo New Member

    Apr 7, 2002
    Arkansas, US
    I'll probably replace my broken THD with an S4. That is, unless the new DirecTiVo comes out and makes me rethink my position. I'm getting a little tired of Cox. And TiVo, for that matter. Sadly, despite TiVo's asinine position on repairing lifetimed boxes, they've still got the best DVR out there. :(

    We don't have SDV here yet, so that's not really an issue as far as I'm concerned, especially at the rumored price point for the base model S4.

    I'd be surprised if a couple of my friends don't pick up S4s also, now that they're upgrading to HD.
  17. Mar 3, 2010 #97 of 192

    solutionsetc Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    I assure you it would have been if they abandoned the idea of a flashy design. An interface is about presenting information and user choices, not animation and a ton of throbbing meaningless graphics. It could have been written for the S3.

    But they chose not to "write" it, but author it in a high level tool whose runtime drinks processor cycles like Kool-aid. I am sure this was forced through development by clueless "suits" who wanted to see something Flashy, and the possibility of that flashy-ness being applied to advertising.
  18. Mar 3, 2010 #98 of 192

    jonja New Member

    Feb 22, 2007
    That makes sense for S3 but what about the much later Tivo HD? They could have gone with a faster CPU, as faster CPUs were then plentiful, even if they weren't ready to release a new UI right away. That way Tivo HDs wouldn't be feeling burned right now--they could get the new UI along with the so-called "S4" boxes. And then they offer a more generous upgrade to the S3 people. (Just $200 off of the lifetime discount and no HW discount? If you already have lifetime, you have always gotten first $100 off. So it is just $100 more---and getting $100 off of the hardware as an existing customer was never hard. No difference.)

    (Honestly, if they just went with a UI based on something other than Flash, you wouldn't need a new CPU. Flash is easy to develop with, but it isn't the most efficient solution. It wouldn't be..uh..quite as "flashy", but they could get quite close without the pokiness. So we need new HW because they found an easier development platform that is a little prettier?)
  19. Mar 3, 2010 #99 of 192

    Dr_Zoidberg Member

    Jan 4, 2004

    Of course not, but still, EVERY DAY RESETS? Often, within an hour after turning on my TV, I get a pair of resets by the SDV tuner. Is there anyone out there who can go a week without an issue with theirs? I've got the latest microcode on mine (using Cablvision service), and the resets interrupt all activity, including recording, not to mention resetting the playback time on anything I happen to be watching.
  20. Mar 3, 2010 #100 of 192

    Grumock New Member

    Dec 16, 2008
    Mine goes weeks at a time without resets but I am on TWC. I have also ran all my own Cable to & in my house.

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