Will there be a new tivo with 4 tuners soon?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by rtoledo, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

    Oct 22, 2004
    SW VA


    Agreed. In fact the specs are almost exactly the same as the old desktop I use every day except my desktop has 2Gb memory & the $300 Compaq has 3Gb. Just for grins, after I installed Windows 7 (released version -- I've been running the RC), I pulled my Hauppage Dual tuner card from the new Media Center pc I built and put it in my desktop. Everything runs just super, thank you - analog & clear QAM HD -- using Windows 7 Media Center.

    BTW Netflix, CBS Internet (recent TV Show Episodes), PBS Internet Shows and more are now an integral part of Media Center & more coming quickly.

    Forgot to mention that after I put the tuners back in the HTPC I can watch TV Recorded on the HTPC from my desktop machine - no extra hardware required. Just navigate to recorded TV in Media Center and click on what I want to watch.
  2. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    ok, go cheap and be limited by the hardware you use. That is the good thing about HTPC - you can choose the footprint you want.

    If I went HTPC it would not be to cheap out but to get the full power and features HTPC would afford me.
  3. Neil 420

    Neil 420 New Member

    Apr 20, 2004
    Have you heard of AT&T U-verse? They have a four tuner DVR and they charge $7/mo for each extender. I'm thinking about trying them, but I have a DirecTivo unit with a lifetime subscription that I don't want to lose if things don't work out with U-verse.
  4. JimboG

    JimboG Member

    May 27, 2007
    San Diego, CA
    This isn't entirely true. While the AT&T DVR can handle up to 4 SD channels at a time, U-Verse is limited to only 2 overly compressed HD-lite channels at the same time for the entire household.:thumbsdown:

    Hi definition programming from DirecTv and from your local over the air stations should look significantly better than U-Verse's <6 Mbps MPEG-4 HD-lite channels.
  5. bareyb

    bareyb Under Maintenance TCF Club

    Dec 1, 2000
    Silicon Valley


    Yikes. Thanks for posting that... I've been trying to get the low down on Uverse for awhile now. I KNEW it was a little too good to be true. :D
  6. MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    It used to be only ONE HD channel at a time, so at least with 2 simultaneous HD streams they have improved from before.
  7. JimboG

    JimboG Member

    May 27, 2007
    San Diego, CA
    It used to be one HD-lite channel at a time, now it's two HD-lite channels at a time at 5 to 6 Mbps.

    You can reduce bandwidth by up to 50% for the same level of perceived quality when you convert from MPEG-2 to MPEG-4. However, a 19.3 Mbps source signal compressed an additional 50% through cross-conversion still ought to be a lot higher than 5 or 5.5 Mbps. Something's got to give, and unfortunately that something is picture quality on U-Verse.

    Depending on the size of your display and whether or not you have an HDTV, you may not notice as much trouble with U-Verse's picture quality. On a 50" 720p plasma at a buddy's house U-Verse was pretty ugly. I don't think it would look any better on my 100" 1080p front projection set up at home.:eek:
  8. slowbiscuit

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    The 2 HD stream limit for U-Verse is a non-starter for me. I often have 2 shows recording at the same time, which means no one could watch anything else in HD.

    IMO they really screwed themselves by not running fiber to the home, at least for now. Or they're just going to be content to compete on price and number of channels and leave the mid-to-high end customers to everyone else.
  9. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

    Dec 5, 2003
    I'm hoping Tivo gets better VOD integration. A lot of the conflict issues can be eased by having convenient access to programming. Some OTA broadcasts are being repeated within a few days over on cable channels. You have to 'know' about this to take advantage of it, but it's better than having to wait weeks or months until the OTA channel gets around to running it again. I'd really like to see the Tivo be able to download these and then use it's BUILT IN PLAYER to watch them.

    NO CRAPPY STREAMING CLIENT. Just let me download it and use the far superior built-in player. All the pieces are in place, RSS/Podcasts do this already. Just give us some integration in the user interface to make it easier to find and select them for downloading. That'd pretty much kill any need for additional tuners, for all but the most extreme edge cases.
  10. ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    I agree 100% on preferring downloaded content and the superior TiVo trick play, but keep in mind it is the content owners who get to decree how the access to the content will be. Amazon has a the license to provide downloads but then you have the higher price and restrictive viewing window. Netflix has the streaming license and lower price but then you deal with how streaming works or sometimes does not work
  11. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2006
    The problem is TiVo decoders can only play back limited formats. So transcoding to a compatible format really has to be part of solution which means it can't be done natively all on Tivo - you need some help from a PC/server to do transcoding.
    You can use 3rd party applications already to do what you want such as pyTivo and/or HME/VLC, streambaby albeit not as conveniently/easily as if it were integrated into Tivo, but at least those solutions do transcoding for you if it is needed.
    Bottom line is the S3 Tivos do not really make for good general purpose media players because of the limited subset of formats they can decode.
  12. wkearney99

    wkearney99 Bill Kearney

    Dec 5, 2003
    If Tivo wants to present it's audience of customers to content providers then it ought to understand what the customers (that's us) want out of it. We'll not tolerate the streaming crap, no matter what "bargain" they strike for it. The Tivo actually represents one of the more secure systems and can readily protect the content from redistribution. As to whether the customers will tolerate this, that's another matter. I've downloaded a couple of Amazon movies and not had any of them expire. I don't know if that's common, but I've watched a few of them more than once. I don't think I'd be inclined to purchase any if they stuck me with a limited timeframe for viewing.

    As for transcoding, clearly the content publishers (like netflix, blockbuster, amazon, etc) grasp the value of having that done on the server-side. True, there's lots of content out there that's in other formats. But it's a bit ridiculous to think it's an all-or-nothing proposition. Some content already in the 'right' formats would be a great starting point. Demand may be able to build a case for transcoding others.
  13. Nov 1, 2009 #253 of 260

    bicker bUU

    Nov 9, 2003
    That's a ridiculous assertion, unless you meant to use the word "I" instead of "we", or perhaps you meant to use the term "me and my friends" instead of "we". The typical consumer is maniacally driven by price, and wouldn't care that much about the distinction between streaming and a download transfer.
  14. Nov 1, 2009 #254 of 260

    lew Well-Known Member

    Mar 12, 2002

    Netflix streams. Doesn't Youtube stream? Customers want content. We prefer content that's downloaded but we'll certainly tolerate streaming if that's the only way to get conent we want to watch.
  15. Nov 1, 2009 #255 of 260

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    Jan 2, 2004
    99% of amazon content has a 30 day expiry with a 24 hour viewing window that starts when you fist look at the first second of the video. Blockbuster follows the same pattern and both are because content owners require they do so for downloads. You really should read up on what you want to argue about.
  16. dbutts

    dbutts New Member

    Mar 28, 2007
    Does TIVO have any plans for doing a multi-room device like Moxi? i.e., Main tivo unit in one room and satellite tivo unit in another room(s) that pulls from the main. I personally don't need to have 2 or more full Tivo units when I watch the same shows regardless of what room I'm in.

    I love tivo. Had them for over 10 years but I like the Moxi idea (3 tuners + moxi mate)
  17. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    Only Moxi only gives you one choice for service, Lifetime or nothing. tiVo gives you more options. If I was forced to only have lifetime service, I would not have nine TiVos.
  18. bkdtv

    bkdtv New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    DC Metro Area
    While that is true, Moxi's lifetime service also costs less.

    If you figure $250 as the base price for the DVR, then Moxi's price for lifetime is $249. TiVo's price for lifetime is $299-$399, depending on whether you are new or existing customer.

    If you value the Moxi's 500GB drive at another $50, then they charge just $200 for lifetime. If you value the TiVo at more than $250 because of its OTA tuners, then lifetime rates are more competitive.
  19. dbutts

    dbutts New Member

    Mar 28, 2007
    its not so much the lifetime service as the multi room viewing. I see lots of people talking about tivo hd giving MRV, but how do you do it w/o a separate hd tivo?
  20. innocentfreak

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001
    You do it with some type of extender like the Moxi Mate with the Moxi or the Xbox 360 with Windows 7.

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