Wife won't delete recordings

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. Jun 5, 2003 #61 of 1401

    Polcamilla -b±√(b^2 - 4ac)/2a

    Nov 7, 2001
    I understand how difficult it is for your wife, wanting to provide your son with the most encouragement and stimulation she can, but if he's not interested in these shows now and even *MIGHT* be later, I can guarantee she'll have no lack of options when he does show an interest.

    Any kids' show that is halfway decent and even vaguely educational does not get dropped lightly. With three networks doing an intense amount of educational kids programming (PBS, Nickelodeon, and Noggin), content is definitely at a premium. They'll rotate great shows in and out of the schedule and repackage them as needed. I've taped a *lot* of vintage 70's Sesame Street for my toddler (because I loathe what they've done to Sesame Street recently) and have a current wishlist for The Electric Company so I can hoard up a bunch of the Spiderman clips and pass them on to a TiVo-less friend whose son is crazy about Spiderman. I'm not familiar with the first two shows your wife is saving but Between The Lions is a big one and I'd be shocked if it they stopped broadcasting it in the next few years.

    As for her own shows, more and more programs are being offered by-the-season on DVD (for rental or purchase). When my husband and I get around to watching Buffy, this is probably how we're going to do it. She might consider just letting a few shows go for now and buying them instead of hand-archiving them so she can have them on hand for later. This is what we'll probably end up doing for Firefly (well, except, renting, not buying). And, again, one never knows when some cheesy program or another is going to get picked up by a cable channel (think Max Headroom on TechTV).

    I do really think the problem is that she needs to find a way to let go of all the archiving. It sounds like she has a very full and busy life and she just doesn't need the guilt she's feeling every time she walks past or looks at the TV. Gently remind her that it is only television and that it's okay turn her back on imaginary characters in artificial circumstances.

    Good luck!
  2. Jun 5, 2003 #62 of 1401
    Leon WIlkinson

    Leon WIlkinson TiVo Gone Wild

    Feb 13, 2000
    TiVo Town

    Find out how many hours of shows are keep until I delete... then subtract that from your 80 hours and that is what TiVo uses to tell you when things MIGHT delete.

    So dub some shows then keep them and set the expiration to see when they delete/worn of pending so that could give some room and might get her to let you change the expiration( 2weeks ahead) once a week on all the shows instead

    You and her need to live on the edge and just risk "your" shows ;).

    Or fight fire with fire and set yours the same way so it won't record at all. If she fights dirty this might not be one of the first five options! :D
  3. Jun 6, 2003 #63 of 1401

    LynnL999 Member

    Oct 7, 2002
    I was faced with a space problem after going on vacation during sweeps, during which a long miniseries also recorded.

    To keep other stuff recording, I decided to take a cold hard look at my SP list. Some of the stuff on there that I had as KUID really didn't need to be -- for example, any of the Law & Order shows. I like them, but I won't die if I miss an episode. Anything I miss now will show up on regular reruns or TNT eventually, and it doesn't matter what order you watch that show in, or if you miss an episode. So those became keep until space needed.

    I looked at my other SP's similarly, and learned that I really only had a few that I truly wanted as Record All, KUID. The rest could go if they absolutely had to, and I'd be sure of always having space for the shows that were really my top priorities.

    I also had a few shows recording daily on default quality (Medium) which really could be in Basic, e.g., The Screensavers, to save more space. I don't know if either of these suggestions might help, but I hope so.

    Another thing to consider with the kids' TV shows is that I'm sure kids TV won't be immune to the explosion of TV shows on DVD. (In fact kids' TV seems particularly ripe for that medium.) A $19.95 per month Netflix subscription seems to me a far more practical way to have access to such shows, without archiving yourself into a house full of tapes stacked all over :)

    Good luck,
  4. Jun 8, 2003 #64 of 1401

    timckelley run of the mill TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    I just visited the upgrade forum, and unfortunately they tell me that my type of TiVo (series 2 80 hours) is designed to only hold one drive. They say there's risk of excessive heat and overtaxing the power supply if I try to add a second drive. There's the option of replacing, rather than adding, but then I won't get as much space. I wonder how large a drive I could put in there and what it would cost.

    Also, the installation instructions look pretty complicated. I have installed hard drives and RAM memory, but that's about the extent of my computer hardware expertise. (I am an applications programmer, though.) I'm wondering how hard this upgrade would be.
  5. Jun 8, 2003 #65 of 1401

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

    Aug 23, 2000
    Nashua, NH
    Installation is easy - if you can install a hard drive in a PC. I suggest you visit www.weaknees.com for info on upgrade kits, including brackets and a fix for the power supply problem.
  6. Jun 8, 2003 #66 of 1401

    Thom Unemployed and loving it !

    Jun 5, 2000
    Southern Calif.
  7. Jun 9, 2003 #67 of 1401

    martinp13 Roller coaster addict :)

    Mar 19, 2001
    Fort Worth, TX
    Yes, I know a second TiVo is expensive, but probly cheaper than a divorce. ;) Kidding of course, but I think it would help.

    Frankly, KUID should only be used when it's a one-shot show or series that you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO SEE. If a show with a (!) gets deleted eventually, guess what: you didn't care enough about the show to watch it. :) It took me a while to realize this, but a few forced deletions made me realize that I didn't really care that the shows had been deleted! :D

    One thing you might try is to get her to watch one show/episode a night, and you watch it with her, even if you've seen it or don't care about it. Maybe right before bed, or at least after the kiddo is down for the night. Given the nature of TiVo, you can clear out a series at a time rather than have to jump around.
  8. Jun 9, 2003 #68 of 1401

    FlashStash New Member

    Jun 4, 2002
    That's how I read this the first time...that might work too! ;D

  9. Jun 11, 2003 #69 of 1401

    joekarglo New Member

    Jan 1, 2003
    knoxville, tn
    No, No, No! You guys are missing the forest looking at the trees. It is not acceptable to let Tivo rule your life by forcing you to watch more tv to "catch up." Tivo lets us rule the world of tv. All any hard drive is supposed to do is make sure there are plenty of your favorite shows available any time, day or night and especially on weekends. If it erases some unwatched, it is only to replace them with other good stuff. Relax!
  10. Jun 21, 2003 #70 of 1401

    timckelley run of the mill TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    But I have a problem with your statement. First let me update you all on the status with my wife. She has started making progress watching her shows and deleting them. (Sigh of relief) But, now that she's seen her newfound space, she has increased her rate of finding new shows to record. Fortunately, many of these are not KUID. (Sigh of relief). But some are KUID, and as I speak, I'm again within a couple of hours of losing my TiVo space, because almost everything on it (minus a couple of hours) is being taken up with KUID shows. (Gasp of horror).

    So my problem with your post is that if the TiVo gets filled up with KUID, that means it won't record anything, and once I've seen all my stuff, I'll have to nothing to watch any on TiVo! (Gasp of horror.) The TiVo in effect, will be useless to me until she deletes some KUID.

    The problem is, she's developed this hobby that I don't completely empathize with. She likes to record all sorts of classic movies (i.e. movies that might be old, but in her opinion, are really good), and then archive them to VHS. She doesn't always keep up with her job of taping them off though. (I'm sure our house has in excess of 100 VHS tapes as I speak.) However, the majority of the KUID is still just current series that she's trying to keep up with.

    I'm tending to think if I upgrade, it will only delay the problem. The new space could still eventually be wiped out with KUID. So I'm starting to think that two TiVo's might be the best answer. I have a question about this, though: In general, there are three types of recordings re record:

    Stuff I want to see
    Stuff she wants to see
    Stuff we both want to see.

    The third category is not a small category, and so how to we negotiate whose TiVo gets this third category? If some goes on mine, and some on hers (i.e. we split it), the stuff that's on mine could conceivably backlog if she doesn't watch it.
  11. Jun 21, 2003 #71 of 1401

    timckelley run of the mill TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    New question. In the meanwhile, I'm thinking I could have a defense to preserve a little bit of the TiVo until the day we get a second. Suppose I take one of my favorite series, and say "Keep at most 2 episodes", and "Keep until I delete". What exactly would this do? If two episodes are already recorded, and a third comes up, will it automatically delete the older of the two and then record the third, so that I'd again have two? If so, this is perfect: I'd always have a recent episode to watch. But this doesn't sound quite right. KUID means don't delete until the user explicitly deletes. So how could Keep at most 2 episodes, coupled with KUID ever delete, even to make room for the new episode? Could somebody explain this functionality to me?
  12. Jun 21, 2003 #72 of 1401

    skanter New Member

    May 27, 2003
    New York City
    Solution #1: Get a new wife.

    Solution #2: Get a 120G upgrade kit from Weaknees and keep the wife.
  13. Jun 22, 2003 #73 of 1401

    ac3dd New Member

    Mar 2, 2002
    For stuff you both want to see, both of you would record it on each of your TiVos, because you won't necessarily watch it at the same time. If you watch it together, delete it from both as soon as you're done.

    The problem comes though if you both want to watch it but hers doesn't have space to record it. Then you'll just have to put your foot down, and either she'll have to watch it with you or miss it. If she still can't live with such exceedingly reasonable arrangements, you and she have bigger problems going on than TiVo. But my uneducated guess is that she will be sensible enough to respect that arrangement, especially if you give her the TiVo with the bigger hard drive :D.
  14. Jun 22, 2003 #74 of 1401

    tivoman Well-Known Member

    Feb 23, 2002
    Hello there,

    It wouldn't record the third show, you have to set it to "Keep Until Space Needed" then It will do what you said in your post. It will record the most recent two episodes. I do this with the morning and evening news where it only keeps one episode until the next showing.

    Good luck,
  15. Jun 22, 2003 #75 of 1401

    jautor Also wants a pony

    Jul 1, 2001
    Houston, TX
    This (at best) will only temporarily solve space issues, but I've used the technique several times when going on vacation...

    If you've got movies or other programs that tend to get repeated (e.g. cable shows, movies, etc.), you may be able to re-record the same thing in the future - basically freeing up some space for a few weeks.

    For instance, I had quite a number of movies recorded from HBO sitting in Now Playing. I was going to be gone for a week, and the ToDo List showed me that several things in NP would be deleted by the time I got back (I always leave suggestions turned on, as that's an easy way to judge how much actual space is left - works better on the DirecTiVo, but anyway...). So I took a look through Now Playing, and picked out the longest programs (most disk space consumed), and did a title search. Lo and behold, there was the same movie(s) in the schedule, with showings out almost two weeks from now. Easy decision - I'm not going to watch it this week, and so I deleted the movie, and scheduled it to record again - using the airtime that was out the furthest in the future...

    I was able to repeat the process several times, and managed to free up 10-15 hours of space, with the same movies back on the TiVo two weeks later. No missed shows while I was on vacation, and nothing deleted that I intended to watch... (Oh, yeah, I've already upgraded, and of course, the TiVo is *still* full of stuff I want to watch - eventually)...

  16. Jun 22, 2003 #76 of 1401

    TampaThunder Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2003
    Tampa, FL
  17. Jun 22, 2003 #77 of 1401

    rtype Ruler of Earth

    Jun 18, 2003
    I have the same sort of problem, only it's all me. :)

    Here's how I'm addressing my problem.

    1. I have an upgrade planned to 240 hours. I've seen you guys say this just delays the problem, but read the other steps first. The main things having so many hours will allow me to do are:
    a. keep my movies/specials until I have time to watch them
    b. record all of a series I intend to watch in order until I get the episodes I'm missing (in my case, I want to watch Sopranos beginning to end)

    2. Pick the shows I absolutely want to watch, set them to record all and keep until I delete. For me, this is only three shows: Enterprise, South Park and CSI, so I'm not likely to get a big backlog here.

    3. Other shows I want, set to keep 5 at most and delete as space is needed. This allows me to grab shows in syndication like The Simpsons and just watch them as it's convenient. If it deletes one I haven't seen before I get to it, no big--I'll have 4 others recorded at any given time and I'll delete the ones I know I have seen (or don't want to see again) as soon as I have time to mess with Tivo again. If the order doesn't matter and they're being run in syndication, all you really want here is to be able to watch one whenever you feel like it--this solves that problem.

    Chances are you've got some stuff in category 2 that you can bump the priority down to category 3 there.
  18. Jun 22, 2003 #78 of 1401

    timckelley run of the mill TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    I read where it's kind of difficult to upgrade 80 hour series 2 without replacing (as opposed to adding) a hard drive. So it become more expensive, and I don't think I can even so much as double my space. (If what I've read is right.)
  19. Jun 22, 2003 #79 of 1401

    timckelley run of the mill TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    Well, darn! That means if the hard drive fills up with KUID and then I have KAM=2 with KUSN, that means that before the 3rd episode comes up, my space becomes vulnerable to one my wife's KUID episodes on the To Do list. I.e. my space could get confiscated by my wife's list. So this solution idea of mine is not very good.
  20. Jun 22, 2003 #80 of 1401

    timckelley run of the mill TCFer

    Oct 15, 2002
    I've approached my wife on this subject, and she thinks it's a waste to record the same show on both TiVos. She thinks that since it's using up twice the amount of HD space it could if it were just on one TiVo, that that's a waste. But she's not 100% close-minded on this. She further has suggested that category 3 be put on my TiVo. I'm hoping she was joking... I guess I'll ask her to explain that comment. Afterall, if I tend to watch things earlier than she, it would make sense to put category 3 on hers, because then I could watch it quick, and then I wouldn't be bottlenecking her with regards to holding up the release of space. Conversely, should quite conceivably bottleneck me, if category 3 were on my TiVo. Of course, there's another problem with putting category 3 on her TiVo: If she fills up her TiVo, it could stop recording new episodes, which could impact me in sitations like "Enterprise", and other shows where I don't want to miss any episodes. Putting it on both TiVos is starting to make sense to me.

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