Wife won't delete recordings

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by timckelley, Jun 3, 2003.

  1. Jun 3, 2003 #21 of 1401

    aaronw Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Washington, DC
    KUID means KUID, no ifs, ands, or buts. What you saw was that it did not allow you to schedule more things because it knew that it would have no space to put them. As far as within space needed, I think once all of them are showing the yellow (!) I *think* it's just in order of when the 'save until date' is, but I'm not sure - I never let myself get that far behind the TiVo because I know I'd have to spend a whole weekend trying to get up to date.
  2. Jun 3, 2003 #22 of 1401
    foo monkey

    foo monkey New Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    Tell her she's being selfish.
  3. Jun 3, 2003 #23 of 1401

    Mike20878 Jake & Adam's dad

    Jun 8, 2001
    Oh, that'll fix everything! :p

    Out of curiousity, what programs does she have saved? My wife had me TiVo'ing all kinds of reality crap...

  4. Jun 3, 2003 #24 of 1401

    rsnaider Active Member

    Apr 25, 2002
    Long Island, NY
    Add another vote to upgrade...

    I guess that could either be the wife or the TiVo. :)
  5. Jun 3, 2003 #25 of 1401

    allan Just someone TCF Club

    Oct 13, 2002
  6. Jun 3, 2003 #26 of 1401

    JPA2825 Member

    May 15, 2000
    Ft. Thomas,...
    Why not simply tape to VHS as you watch the program? Then she gets the benefit of the 60x FF and you use less tapes b/c all the commercials are edited out. She can hardly complain about that setup.

    I recommend that you put each show on a different tape in chronological order. Also be sure to tape the Now Playing Screen to make sure which one you're taping.

    Finally, when I'm done watching and I want my wife to know that I've watched it, we FF to 5 min. mark. That way if I start a show that is at 5 min., I know I can delete when I'm done watching.
  7. Jun 3, 2003 #27 of 1401

    Jonathan_S Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2001
    IIRC the tivo actually deletes the oldest expired show, not the show that has been expired the longest. Normally this is the same show, but if you have extended the save until date on some shows that might not be the case.
  8. Jun 3, 2003 #28 of 1401

    Davidian New Member

    Jan 9, 2003
    Tell her that 2 shows are getting deleted every day. Let her decide if she wants to do it, or if you will have to.
  9. Jun 3, 2003 #29 of 1401

    edrock200 New Member

    Feb 7, 2002
    Tell her you got an error message that the Tivo is very tired of holding all that information and that it will begin to drop some of it soon if it's not watched or deleted. The message also warned that save until I delete is very stressful for the Tivo and causes wierd problems. It then said that no guide data will be downloaded because it's too full. It's filled up it's long term memory and now everything is being stored in short term memory. It's a very critical situation!
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  10. Jun 3, 2003 #30 of 1401

    Timber Active Member

    Apr 28, 2002
    Delete her stuff and blame it on a TiVo bug!

  11. Jun 3, 2003 #31 of 1401

    Polcamilla -b±√(b^2 - 4ac)/2a

    Nov 7, 2001
    Okay, she's kind of in denial here, but what I think would *REALLY* help is a brief lesson on the different save options available.

    Keep At Most = 1 - 5 or ALL

    -This is the most BRILLIANT delete option of all, particularly for kids' shows. I'm really confused that she's having your archive the kids shows to tape. How many kids' shows does she have on tape already? How old are your kids? Do they *really* care which particular episode they're watching (and if they do, are they actually not old enough to understand how to watch/delete, themselves?). In our house, we use Keep At Most extensively for my 2 1/2 yr. old's shows. Since we know how many are being kept, we know exactly how many hours his stuff takes up. And since he doesn't care *which* episodes he watches, we know that he'll always have an episode (or two or five) to watch and that they'll be different, so we don't get sick of seeing the same thing over and over and over. We also never have to delete these shows when he's done watching because we know they'll be overwritten by new shows when the new shows air (and, not deleted BEFORE then). And, of course, if we are taping 3 shows at KAM=1, then we know his stuff takes up 1 1/2 hrs. of space on our TiVo. It will never take up *more* than 1 1/2 hrs. of space and nothing that we watch will ever get deleted for his shows because his older shows are getting deleted to make the space for the new show.

    - Save Until = <Date>, Space Needed, I Delete

    Most of the shows spouse and I care about are 'Save Until Space Needed'. We have a 60 hr. box and stuff tends not to get deleted until it's about 2 weeks old (actually, right now we have all of Firefly sitting at the bottom of our TiVo and still have stuff lasting two weeks---I think it's because we're watching less TV than when we first got our TiVo). We delete things when we're finished with them and sometimes delete things unwatched if we know we're not going to watch them (sitcom reruns, etc.). If a show we *really* care about gets down within the last 10 or so programs and we haven't watched it, I'll switch it to 'Save Until I Delete'. Then, when we *do* watch TV, we start at the BOTTOM of the list, watching the SUID programs first, then the SUSN. Sunday I did a marathon session of 'American Dreams' and got caught up for the season after not watching it in over a month. We have about two months worth of new Smallvilles to catch up on. Most of the SUSN stuff has a yellow dot with a ! in it by the time we watch it, so we don't use that to gauge its deletion likelyhood, but instead go by how close to the bottom it is. If it's the 5th show from the bottom, 1 hr. long, and the 4 things under it are 1/2 hr. sitcoms, then I know I need to watch it soon, because we've only got about 2 hrs. of recording time before it goes poof!

    If stuff has been sitting for a *long* time as SUID at the bottom of the TiVo *or* gets to the bottom without me noticing and gets deleted before it's watched or switched to SUID, then I just decide we didn't *really* care enough about it to make it a priority and let it go. Plus, I figure that *everything* will show up in syndication or on DVD someday.

    (I also have a few things set at KAM=2, primarily HGTV stuff and similar things that don't have any kind of story arc across episodes. I tried setting my 'Friends' reruns that way once and switched it because the different stations *do* show them in order and I'd get annoyed if I didn't have one in sequence if I was watching them.)

    If your wife really has that much stuff on the TiVo and she's not watching any of it, sounds like she wouldn't've had the chance to watch it if she was TiVoless and she's just hoarding shows because she can and not really thinking about what she wants to do with it. Just like money is useless if not *eventually* spent, TV is useless if not eventually watched.

    I'd teach her how to use the delete options a bit more intelligently and let her get a feel for how long stuff tends to stay on her TiVo under 'normal' circumstances (setting everything to SUID isn't really considered normal usage since the TiVo was never designed to archive television). Once she has a sense for how long shows tend to last and figures out how to really prioritize the shows she cares about and make time at some point in her life for them, she may do better. If she just can't do that, then I feel sorry for you, because if she's hoarding TV then I'm sure she's hoarding other things in her life too, and I can say from personal experience that this kind of behavior usually brings a lot more frustration and discontent than satisfaction. Have her check out www.flylady.net and good luck!
  12. Jun 3, 2003 #32 of 1401

    allan Just someone TCF Club

    Oct 13, 2002
    One thing your wife hasn't caught on to yet. It's probably not possible to watch everything Tivo records! The best she can hope for is to watch the best shows in Now Playing. Something will either get deleted, or not recorded in the first place for lack of space.
  13. Jun 3, 2003 #33 of 1401

    jzawilski New Member

    Jun 3, 2003
    As a wife and as a future TiVo-er, I say give her this TiVo (warmly and without resentment) and buy a new one for yourself. It's the most healthy answer for your marriage!
  14. Jun 3, 2003 #34 of 1401

    Joey303 Gaga for Lala.com

    May 1, 2001
    Denver, CO
    Jzawilski: best suggestion yet!
  15. Jun 4, 2003 #35 of 1401

    bkc56 Designated Grunt

    Apr 29, 2001
    Santa Rosa,...
    I've done several of the things suggested in this thread.

    First, we have two Tivo's. One is for my wife's stuff and the kid's stuff. If it fill up, I don't have to stress about it. ;) The other Tivo is for my stuff and the stuff that both my wife and I watch.

    Next, both Tivo's have been upgraded with more space, but of course that only delays the problem.

    Third, on the my/our Tivo, I record everything as KUID. If it's my show, I watch and delete it. If it's our show and we watch it together it's deleted. If I watch it I change it to 'yellow-dot' for her to watch and delete. The key idea here is that if she falls to far behind (and she's WAY behind right now) the some of the old stuff will simply vanish without failing to record anything new.

    Having lived through one Tivo (and the stress I felt as it filled up) the only long-term solution (if your wife doesn't see-the-light) will be to get a second Tivo.
  16. Jun 4, 2003 #36 of 1401

    Azure New Member

    Feb 28, 2000
    Grafton, MA
    Definitely give her the current TiVo and tell her she's responsible for it. Explain the situation, that once it's filled, it will stop recording. Then buy yourself a new TiVo, with more space of course, and forbid her to record anything on it. :)
  17. Jun 4, 2003 #37 of 1401

    MediaLivingRoom New Member

    Dec 10, 2002
    Get a DVD-Recorder.

    or wait for a US version of the Sony NDR-XR1
  18. Jun 4, 2003 #38 of 1401

    samkuhn New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    You really should upgrade your Tivo to a large drive size. A 120-160GB drive will cost about $70-$120 and will more than double your space. The process is reasonably straightforward. Visit the upgrade forum.

    I would suggest that you help your wife ween herself from keep-until-I-delete. Maybe a bit of negotiation to only use that on her three most favorite shows, and the rest go under "delete when space is needed". My wife and I have a 40+120 and it allows us to keep shows for 1-2 months before they delete, depending on how much other junk we watch. You could also ask her to not use KUID, but instead just keep reseting the delete date on the shows. At least that way it will be a bit of a nuisance to continually reset the timer on 30 shows, and a reminder that the tivo is full of shows that aren't being watched. Recording at lower quality will also free up some space, if you can tolerate it.
  19. Jun 4, 2003 #39 of 1401

    hokiepolk New Member

    Oct 23, 2002
    St Johns, FL
    I agree...buy yourself your own TIVO, and tell your wife she has an early anniversary present.
  20. Jun 4, 2003 #40 of 1401

    steuert TivoGeezer

    Mar 12, 2002
    Tucson, AZ
    If you buy another TiVo, it will probably just be a matter of time until she fills that one up. She just can't bear the idea of erasing something she "might" want to look at in the future. Reminds me of a friend who taped hundreds of hours of TV movies to watch after he retired, but then never watched one.

    If you must humor her, then IMHO probably the best answer is to transfer the TiVo recordings to something with removable media, such as a VCR or DVD recorder. When she sees the actual cost and inconvenience of keeping all this old junk around, maybe she will realize that, if she hasn't gotten around to watching a recording after a few weeks, she probably never will; and that in any event "it's only TV" and hardly worth archiving forever.

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