Why should I not change to Sky+

Discussion in 'TiVo Series 1 - UK' started by campbeji, Jan 2, 2008.

  1. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    I used to use a Pronto remote with Sky+ to compensate for advert into program over chute.

    The FF key would issue FF three times to Sky+ for maximum speed.
    Play would issue play, rewind twice, brief pause and then play.

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  2. gazter

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    It makes you wonder, if you can think up such a simple solution, which gives significant added value to a product, why the designers seem entirely incapable of doing the same.

    The argument could also be made to tivo though. Tivo software engineers could never get soft padding to work properly, it really did seem beyond them, despite numerous software revisions. Yet some person on this board comes up with endpad, which actually does the job exactly as necessary...
     
  3. gazter

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    But, are we going to see more genuine functionality? I just get the feeling we are going to see a revamp along the lines of 'Anytime', in the sense we get to see picture in picture and a general cosmetic upgrade.

    If Sky+ implemented their season link in a more reliable way, and then offered the priority/season pass functionality, then Tivo might be able to be put to bed....
     
  4. johala_reewi

    johala_reewi New Member

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    With a networked Tivo, you can do this via Tivoweb.
     
  5. TCM2007

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    I haven't had a problem with Series Links being unreliable. It's sometimes hard to set them up though, particularly when you're working more than a day or two ahead.
     
  6. iankb

    iankb New Member

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    Does it now remember them between programme series, even if there's a six-month gap?
     
  7. mikeyp

    mikeyp New Member

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    correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't tivo have a patent on trick play, meaning other pvrs couldn't take advantage of ff and rw live tv?
     
  8. OzSat

    OzSat Very Nice Moderator

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    I think there is a 28-day limit on Sky+
     
  9. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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  10. gazter

    gazter New Member

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    with the patents holding back development by other companies, and their companys stagnation in general.

    Is it now time to consider Tivo to be an impediment to further pvr development?
     
  11. Raisltin Majere

    Raisltin Majere The 96 YNWA

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    No,

    PVR development is ongoing and, AIUI, Tivo is still leading the way.

    Just not in this country:(
     
  12. davisa

    davisa New Member

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    Sky+ only works with Sky. This means you need a dish. We're not allowed one. End of discussion.
     
  13. Pete77

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    Are you away of Sky's Free Shared Dish scheme where they will cable your block for a communal hidden (usually up on the roof somewhere) Sky satellite dish and a point in each flat as long as at least four residents are willing to sign up for a minimum Sky package at £16 per month for one year.

    See http://communaltv.sky.com/aboutResident.aspx

    and

    http://communaltv.sky.com/managingRegister.aspx
     
  14. TonyW

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    Interesting thread; I know this has been much discussed in the past, but things change as far as the rivals to TiVo go. As our boxes are now getting very elderly (mine has been running pretty well non-stop for several years) it has been on my mind recently.

    What will happen when my box fails? I will have a choice of spending money on fixing the trusty TiVo or - given the very sad lack of UK Tivo development - switching to a rival.

    For my own purposes, the the key things TiVo lacks in the UK are
    - dual tuner;
    - automatic padding (without having to hack the thing).

    Sky+ would give me both of those as well as some comfort the thing is still being supported but at the expense of
    - user-friendly interface;
    - reliable season passes (unless they've fixed it, I recall a lot of complaints about missing programmes in the past);
    - search by wishlist feature;
    - upcoming programmes searching etc. which I find very valuable.

    I haven't heard much about Media Centre PCs lately; IIRC (and I may be wrong) that would deal with most of the above except that it lacks support for dual tuners (even if, for example, one tuner was fed form a Sky box and another from aerial for terrestrial tv)

    My question is, is the above a fair (if brief) summary or have any of these things changed? Are Media Centre PCs a sensible choice to replace a Tivo or have they been left behind?
     
  15. Raisltin Majere

    Raisltin Majere The 96 YNWA

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    My understanding is that it can handle two inputs providing they are the same (2 x sky, 2 x freeview, 2 x aerial etc) it just can't mix them.
     
  16. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    Buy another on ebay for £50 ?
    Normally in the techie world, newer is better and more fully featured. In the PVR market this isn't true (regardless of money spent).
    Bzzt. Can't allow your second point as its really easy to install endpad or similar.
    MCE can do dual tuners as standard (or more with a hack)

    But all tuners have to be the same type, i.e. you can have 7 freeview tuners, but not one freeview and one analogue/sky.
     
  17. Pete77

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    Our Tivos have only been running 5 to 7 years at most.

    By contrast both my fridge and freezer and my boiler have been running for 17years now and I see no reason to replace them unless they fail. If I replaced the fridge and freezer I can probably save £20 to £30 a year electricity (even though they were the most efficient Bosh devices of the time) but that would take me around 15 years to recover in new equipment cost. And as I don't plan to live here another 15 years and can earn interest on that money in the interim it isn't worth it. Ditto my boiler just keeps me warm and uses about £400 per annum of gas and has been running for 17 years but to replace it with a more efficient condenser boiler would cost over £2,000 and save at most £60 per annnum of gas. That would take me 30 years to get back so clearly not worth it unless it fails.

    In my view the only reason to get rid of Tivo is if:-

    (a) Tivo withdraws the UK service and no adequate alternate data source for those us using network cards replaces it.

    (b) So much program contents start being broadcast in HD that the use of a PVR that does not support HD recording is very serious disadvantage.

    Think how many other 7 year old bits of equipment that you own that you perfectly happy with and have no intention of currently replacing. So why should Tivo be any different?
     
  18. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    I don't think I have anything electrical in my house that is still in use and is older than my Tivo boxes.

    Except my central heating boiler which I think is about nine years old.

    Automan.
     
  19. Pete77

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    Why would you have replaced your fridge, freezer, cooker, dishwasher or washing machine unless they stopped working?

    Its not as though later models have significantly more exciting product features.
     
  20. Automan

    Automan Ex TiVo User

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    I think they all failed.
    fridge/freezer - never got down to temperature
    washing machine - bearings went
    cooker - upper oven door broke off twice at hinges
    dishwasher - failed, did not replace
    microwave - browning element failed
    kettle - element went

    Now my water cooler is playing up making funny noises and cool led flickering :(

    Automan.
     

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