Why isn't TiVo offering a streaming package/cloud DVR?

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  1. Jul 31, 2019 #41 of 119
    Mikeguy

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    You're absolutely right, of course; thank-you, and corrected. (I'm so swayed by the benefits of Lifetime, I just think of it automatically with the Bolt OTA models, for which there is special (lower) Lifetime pricing.)
     
  2. Jul 31, 2019 #42 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    The person I was responding to did:

    TiVo's pockets aren't as deep as Google's by any means, and at this point the content providers 1. already felt threatened by them and 2. have come to see control over their own content as important, and so are less likely to give it away as cheaply.
     
  3. Jul 31, 2019 #43 of 119
    ashipkowski

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    Two words: Commercial Skip. It might seem unseemly to the providers' advertisers for the provider to be making deals with a company that represents that option very directly.
     
  4. Jul 31, 2019 #44 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    Sling is owned by Dish. Dish's Hopper DVR allows you to skip commercials. They call it AutoHop. YouTube TV also allows skipping of commercials on their cloud DVR.

    That's not a hindrance.
     
  5. Jul 31, 2019 #45 of 119
    Dan203

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    And Google is the biggest advertising company in the world. I'm sure they have some unseen ties into the movie/TV business.
     
  6. Jul 31, 2019 #46 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    Their ties with movie/TV people are basically selling ads to them. Maybe they could offer them some discounts and such on ad/user data buys, but that would be about it. But it's nothing like the direct connections Hulu or PS Vue have.
     
  7. Jul 31, 2019 #47 of 119
    mschnebly

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    I don't think TiVo has made a lot of good friends with it's patent lawsuits either. Why would any of these companies want to help them compete with their own services?
     
  8. Jul 31, 2019 #48 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    But the people they would have pissed off would be the cable/satellite providers, not the content creators. In other words, Charter Spectrum, Comcast, DirecTV and such - the very people TiVo works with now - are the ones who'd be pissed. They are the ones who tried to steal TiVo's IP to make their craptastic DVRs better. Sony Pictures, NBC/Universal, Viacom, Warner Bros and such have no patent issues with TiVo to be pissed over.
     
  9. Jul 31, 2019 #49 of 119
    Dan203

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    But they have the connections and people to talk to. For a small company like TiVo the hardest part is just getting your foot in the door.

    But honestly I don't know. I'm not in that business. All I know is that one of the higher ups at TiVo once told me that they looked into it and it's not feasible. He didn't say why it wasn't feasible, so I'm just guessing at the reason.
     
  10. Jul 31, 2019 #50 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    I don't know. Netflix somehow did it from nothing. I don't think it's really that hard. It just takes deciding what you want to be and from what I can tell, TiVo has either dithered about too long and doesn't know what it wants to be going forward, or they've conceded the field and decided to do something else. Either way, I think it's a missed opportunity.
     
  11. Jul 31, 2019 #51 of 119
    Charles R

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    Perhaps a little overly simplistic? If all it takes is deciding what you want to be... I think everyone would be a billionaire. :)
     
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  12. Jul 31, 2019 #52 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    Deciding what you want to be as a company and doing what you need to do, hiring who you need to hire, to make it happen. If you want to be a player in provider realm ala YouTube TV, Hulu Live, Sling, then you go out there and make that happen. If small companies like Fubo and Philo can pull it off, no reason TiVo can't.

    It's not a guarantee of success. But I'm not buying the idea that TiVo simply "can't" make it happen.
     
  13. Jul 31, 2019 #53 of 119
    ajwees41

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    maybe Tivo doesn't want to be a content provider they are happy with what they are doing
     
  14. Jul 31, 2019 #54 of 119
    Dan203

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    I agree it's a missed opportunity. This is something I thought about years ago, before the Bolt was even released. If TiVo could seamlessly integrate local OTA with an OTT skinny bundle that included the most popular cable channels they could charge a continuous monthly fee (which they like) and people would actually pay it. They could be the ultimate cord cutter solution and take over the market. But they always seem to drag their feet, even on simple things like better apps, until they're playing catch up rather than innovating.
     
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  15. Jul 31, 2019 #55 of 119
    Charles R

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    As a business you don't operate in a vacuum and as such many things are decided for you. If it was that easy they would be wildly successful in their chosen market.

    As someone who started a company in 1979 and continues to run it today a business plan is only a strategy. One in which over two-thirds fail within 10 years... out of business. I guess it's not quite that easy.
     
  16. Jul 31, 2019 #56 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    What they are doing isn't a long term road to success. It's a slow path to irrelevance.
     
  17. Jul 31, 2019 #57 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    I'm in full agreement. My whole point in all this is that TiVo has been hampered all these years by what the cable companies would allow them to do. Hell, without government intervention in the form of the CableCARD, they'd have been relegated to a mere patent holding entity long ago. They need to break free from dependency on cable providers (who themselves are circling the drain) and chart their own course. The way to do that is to get on the cord-cutting train themselves, but improving it in every way because of their superior software and UI.

    TiVo is a lot like Apple in that regard to me - they don't have to be the first to market in a given segment, but they generally make a product for that segment that becomes the standard bearer that everyone wants to use. The biggest difference is that they seem to lack the decisive, killer instinct to just go for it.
     
  18. Jul 31, 2019 #58 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    TiVo has been in position to do something like this for a while. It's not like I'm asking "Why doesn't TiVo build a driverless car?"
     
  19. Jul 31, 2019 #59 of 119
    Charles R

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    You have zero proof anything you are suggesting would make them a stronger company. Zero. I might even dare say they know a little more about their status and opportunities going forward.

    As a business owner it always frustrates me when someone believes they know more about a company than the company itself and whatever "hair-brain" thoughts they have would be wildly successfully again with zero evidence to back it up. And follow it up with it couldn't be any worse... again the little they know.

    I'm not trying to "pick" on you I simply know for a fact businesses have played out every aspect an outsider may feel would be beneficial and acted accordingly afterwards. It's rather naive to think whatever you can dream up hasn't been endlessly addressed.
     
  20. Jul 31, 2019 #60 of 119
    TitanTiger

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    You seem a tad defensive. I don't think it takes a genius in reading trends and the TV business to see the direction things are headed and that TiVo is poorly positioned as it stands right now.


    Being a business owner (in what industry you don't say) doesn't make you any more savvy as to what's going on in *this* industry than anyone else.


    I've no doubt it's been discussed. The problem is, nothing has been done to date and the window is not going to be open forever.
     

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