Why Football Can Do Whatever It Wants to the Schedule

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  1. Jan 19, 2006 #1 of 108
    Sparty99

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    After the discussion in the first 24 thread about the Chicago/Carolina game running over, I thought I'd take a look at the ratings for this week and fill everyone in.

    The good news: even though it started 13 minutes late, the first part of the 24 season premiere got its highest ratings ever (17.0 rating), and finished in 10th place for the week (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/nielsen.htm)

    The bad news: considering that was its highest rating ever, and the most watched show of the week on Fox, it's got no chance of ever supplanting the NFL and revisiting the Heidi game.

    The reason? The total ratings for the NFL this weekend ran 78.6 (an average of 19.7 for the four games). If you take out the New England/Denver game, which had a rating of 26.3 and finished first for the week, the remaining 3 games still averaged a 17.4 rating. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2006-01-18-hiestand-olympic-viewers_x.htm).

    So in the future guys, if you're recording something on Sundays, you need to pad your recordings.
     
  2. Jan 19, 2006 #2 of 108
    mwhip

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    You are surprised by this? Sunday football is a huge draw and marketing heaven. There is a way to fix this...move to the Pacific time zone.
     
  3. Jan 19, 2006 #3 of 108
    Sparty99

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    I'm not at all. I was responding to all those who were calling for Fox's head when really they're doing what makes the most sound business sense.
     
  4. Jan 19, 2006 #4 of 108
    cwoody222

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    I was looking into this this afternoon too but I could only find details on the Saturday evening (Prime-time) football game.

    Were the other 3 evening games?

    I'd suspect Football is helped at least a bit since there's MUCH less competition on Sunday afternoons (from 1pm - 7pm) than there is at 8pm.

    (all times EST)
     
  5. Jan 19, 2006 #5 of 108
    Sparty99

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    Games aired Saturday at 4:30, Sunday at 1, and Sunday at 4:30. And it appears that the game that aired in prime time (i.e., the one that would have the most competition, even if it was Saturday night) likely got the highest ratings of the four games.
     
  6. Jan 19, 2006 #6 of 108
    cwoody222

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    Don't get me wrong, I know (but don't understand why) football on TV gets decent ratings.

    But I still don't think comparing a prime-time Saturday game or a 4:30pm Sunday game (95% of which aired in non-prime time) to a prime-time Sunday night network broadcast is a fair comparison.

    Saturday is nearly competition free and a wasteland on the networks. Ditto w/ Sunday afternoon/early evening.

    24 has WAY more competition.


    Plus... this doesn't explain why football is allowed to overrun EVERY week... even those boring, doesn't-matter games that get basement ratings ;)
     
  7. Jan 19, 2006 #7 of 108
    Sparty99

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    Yes, it does explain it. Let's assume that the Carolina/Chicago game got the average 17.4 rating. It was a close, one possession game. Do you think there was a sizable group of people changing the channel at 8:00 to watch Extreme Makeover or The West Wing? Not a chance. So it's relatively safe to assume that if nothing else, the ratings at the end of the game were reasonably close to, if not higher than, the average 17.4 rating.

    In addition to that, I wasn't comparing an average episode of 24. This was the highest ratings they had EVER gotten. However, a better comparison will come this Sunday, when the NFC championship game will run on Fox, with the same competition that 24 faced, in prime time. I guarantee the football game will come out with significantly higher ratings than the 24 episode.
     
  8. Jan 19, 2006 #8 of 108
    hefe

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    All I got from that article is that the game that preceded 24 got much lower ratings than 24.
     
  9. Jan 19, 2006 #9 of 108
    Sparty99

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    That's what I thought, but it wasn't counted in this week's Nielsen ratings (I checked USA Today's complete listings).
     
  10. Jan 19, 2006 #10 of 108
    hefe

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    How ridiculous is that? What week should it count for?

    Where are the complete listings you refer to? I can't seem to find them.
     
  11. Jan 19, 2006 #11 of 108
    cwoody222

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    Right.

    But the football game was helped by being able to drag in those 17.4 million people during the 'slow' afternoon/early evening. Of course they weren't going to switch off the game at 8pm... but would they have been watching football at 8pm if they hadn't been for the past 4 hours?

    Would 17.4 million people tune into a Sunday night game that STARTED at 8pm and competed against 24, West Wing, Extreme Makeover, etc?
     
  12. Jan 19, 2006 #12 of 108
    cwoody222

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    I believe it wasn't counted because it didn't start in prime-time.

    When I searched this afternoon the only ratings I could find were prime-time and they only included that Saturday afternoon game.

    I had no idea how many games were played this weekend (prime time or not) but I knew it was more than 1 ;)
     
  13. Jan 19, 2006 #13 of 108
    Sparty99

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    That was my problem. I purchased an actual newspaper :eek: to get the complete listings. So, you're going to have to take my word for it. :eek: :eek:

    My thinking is that because the game wasn't scheduled to run in primetime it was not included on the Nielsen ratings as a primetime show.
     
  14. Jan 19, 2006 #14 of 108
    Sparty99

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    I think that's moderately accurate. Next week's NFC championship game and the Super Bowl will air sometime around 6:30. However, because they are scheduled to run during primetime they will be counted.

    Why this one wasn't counted, since it was obvious that it would run during the Sunday 7-8 (EST) hour, is beyond me.
     
  15. Jan 19, 2006 #15 of 108
    Sparty99

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    We'll know after this Sunday. My guess is "absolutely".
     
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    jsmeeker

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    Yeah.. I was just gonna say that myself. :)
     
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    cwoody222

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    So... it's all just based on ratings?

    So any show that pulls in football-or-better numbers (let's say anything over 17mil just for argument's sake) can run over?

    Then I don't want to hear any more complaints about things like Lost and Desperate Housewives running over 1 extra minute every week any more ;)
     
  19. Jan 19, 2006 #19 of 108
    hefe

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    That's the one that doesn't include the afternoon game.

    But anyway, serumgard's data just validates what I said in the 24 thread...
    ;)
     
  20. Jan 19, 2006 #20 of 108
    hefe

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    Except that 24 moves to its regular Monday slot now...
     

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