Why Do Americans Have the Worst DVRs?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Emacee, Aug 2, 2019.

  1. Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

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    The reason is that such tech would require yet another royalty payment by DVR makers and providers for using patented tech. DVR's already come all sorts of costs--payments--to 3rd parties for their tech such as UI--in some cases--, auto audio leveling such as SRS, the privilege of decoding Dolby Digital, MPEG consortium, HDMI, USB, pay for EPG data (to TiVo or Gracenote), transcoding to copy DVR content to mobile devices, and then more $$ for services on DVR such as weather, etc, an entire host of payments to 3rd parties for their tech (there are a few consortiums such as MoCA Alliance consortium which almost everybody belongs, so as members they can use that tech at no additional cost beyond their having funded R&D and continuing funding for NEW versions, which is a fair amont of money in itself).

    Now we come to the occasional problem of possibly ending a recording early. After all those previous costs, it is just so much cheaper and easier to simply allow people to manually pad the timer before and after, considering customers want other features far more. For example, more tuners (16 tuners in a single Hopper 3 DVR), support for more TVs on a single home system, the ability to stream content from their DVR remotely to their mobile device, the ability to copy recorded programs to their mobile device to view without needing an internet connection, video on demand, apps specifically for other TV services like Netflix and Hulu and Amazon, larger hard drive capacity for more programs four more people in their homes, 4K support for the apps and the few 4K channel content, Over the Air broadcast stations receivable; recordable; and integrated into the Program Guide, more efficient ways to search and find what is on and what will be airing that is of interest to the subscriber, the ability to place programs into custom folders or even automatic folders, and on and on, more features I've probably forgotten but I'm sure or more in demand. And then we come to the granddaddy of them all: fully automated Commercial Skip. Now that last one has been a Holy Grail for years and is easily more desired than, I would say, having programs end so the entire recording is available, which can be solved with padding the timer and that is the point of view of the DVR makers and providers at this point rather than integrating a system that's going to cost them more money. All the features I listed above are now currently available features in some US DVRs, specifically Dish, TiVo, and DirecTV.

    And for what it's worth, in my experience, over all, the European DVRs are far worse in appearance UI and lacking in features than the American DVRs such as Dish, TiVo, and even the now ruined DirecTV offer. Agreed most of the US cable company DVRs really are pretty bad with the exception possibly of Xfinity and the few small and MSO's who offer TiVo compatible with their system.

    Please really do inspect the specifications, capabilities and features, of Dish Hopper 3 and TiVo. I think you'll find that compared to those, European DVRs are pieces of junk. For starters Dish and TiVo have some of the most advanced and fastest chips in any DVRs anywhere because they do a heck of a lot more than European DVRs. We can move our recordings from the internal hard drive to an external hard drive to keep and watch for as long as we wish. one DVR can access another DVR where particular recording resides and we can view it at any room. the client can access any DVR to view its particular content. The clients provide for an experience that is virtually like being at the main DVR. We have multiple DVR systems for a single household to which everyone has access to all those DVRs for situations that either require them or are a better experience.

    I love Europe, and in many ways one can argue that it is superior to the US, and I suppose argue the other way around. the point is the title of your post is a most unfortunate title because in fact the US, with the possible exception of Japan, has the best DVRs anywhere. A better title might have been why do US DVR's lack this really great feature that European DVRs have. So kindly return to your stinky European DVR and enjoy your favorite television. :).
     
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  2. Joe3

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    There will also be the consumer stupidity, but not all consumers.
     
  3. Charles R

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    I'm not aware of many consumer goods (categories) that don't offer high-end quality products... homes, furnishing, automotive, boating, clothing and so on. Virtually any market of any size offers quality goods. To a large degree they offer so many options we tend to focus on what fits our needs versus the depth of the offerings.

    At the same time the cost of many items have been reduced so much we might feel the quality has been reduced where in fact if we spent the past's (relative) cost you would/could find the same level of quality. Good examples are TVs... back in 1954 they were $110 per sq inch, today a little over a buck.

    Sure I prefer my AV equipment to be cased in exotic wood although it's not designed to sit in my living room forever. Rather they know we know it will be outdated within a couple of years feature wise and we will be replacing it. And as such we aren't willing to pay for something that is designed to last forever.

    A good example (for me) is the PC I just built. I paid roughly twice its performance value simply because I care for quality and aesthetics. Custom water cooling loop (CPU and GPU), overkill power supply with custom mod cables, open air case and whatnot. I could have ordered such a quality model and paid even more. Does it perform any better than its half price competition? Heck no. Will it last any longer? Perhaps a bit which would be well passed its useful life cycle.

    I started building PCs in the early 80s and I couldn't duplicate today's quality back then at any price. Companies like G.Skill, EK Water Blocks, Sea Sonic Electronics and many others didn't exist nor did their quality. selection and customization they offer. Sure I could have purchased cheap memory, air cooler, power supply, etc and probably paid well less than half and complained... nothing is what it was.
     
  4. foghorn2

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    If you like your DVR, you can keep your DVR, no ones is going to force you to loose your DVR.

    But millions will flock to our Portals and signup for new Streaming Services and Cloud DVR and pay much more for less services and long wait buffering times and will keep raising the prices for less channels while you buffer and buffer and buffer making my buddies I made deals with this plan richer and richer. And if you dont subscribe to one of these streaming plans, we will tax you anyway. :D
     
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  5. Charles R

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    The old saying is still true... content is King. Sure you can keep your DVR however good luck finding anything worth recording (not to mention its degrading image quality even versus streaming) going forward. :)
     
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  6. just4tivo

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    It would seem so but their trick is that today's hi-end products are about equal to the entry or utility level products of yesterday (yesteryear?).

    A KitchenAid mixer looks the same as it has for 50+ years but look inside. Same with a Bunn coffee maker.

    A 2x4 was a 2x4 but not anymore.
     
  7. Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

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    Assuming (not simply updated/redesigned) it's of lower quality per se is it probably from them now targeting another market. Someone has replaced them at your perceived desired quality.
     
  8. aaronwt

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    Does that still exist? Because the last few things we've purchased at work that were american made was crap. While the chinese and other foreign countries products have been much better.
     
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  9. Wil

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    Any other *possible* benefits of government, like the highway system, pale in comparison to the loss of A&W in the chilled mugs.
     
  10. Mikeguy

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    Do they still do that? My last visit to an A&W, my root beer float came in a basic paper or plastic cup (I don't know if you had to buy the glass mug to get the special treatment). But the customer-accessible tap did dispense freshly-made root beer, at least per the signage--that was neat. :)
     
  11. just4tivo

    just4tivo Active Member

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    Last chilled A&W mug I had was at an A&W west of OK City in 1973
     
  12. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    That's around the time I remember it as well (an A&W off the freeway, when travelling to visit family friends a day-and-a-half away). Such a treat! (And disappointing to get my recent root beer float in paper/plastic. :( )
     
  13. Wil

    Wil Unknown Member

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    Thanks, Obama.
     
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  14. Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

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    Everything made overseas is made to specs. So the real overseas advantages are reduced labor costs and having sub-assemblies produced at the same general locations. Greatly reducing production shipping costs and time. I found this factory tour rather interesting and they highlight that the (acceptable) defect rate is specified by the company buying the panel. Which easily explains why Thermaltake's glass panels used to be extremely iffy and Corsair's have always been top notch. In this case you get what you pay for... I guess Thermaltake got tired of shipping us replacement panels and upped their quality standard. :)

     
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  15. just4tivo

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    The make or break of offshore manufacturing never seemed to be the ability or willingness of the contracted offshore manufacturer to meet spec rather the specs set by the contracting company which varied in production tolerance variance based on unit cost.
     
  16. dlfl

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    That has a familiar rhythm to it .... perhaps substitute "health insurance plan" for "DVR" ? :p
     
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  17. mschnebly

    mschnebly Well-Known Member

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    If you are getting buffering you might just need a modern internet connection. I haven't seen any buffering for at least the last year or two.
     
  18. mschnebly

    mschnebly Well-Known Member

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    But but Hillary!! :p
     

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