Why did D* bother with the 6.3 upgrade with the H20 just released?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by jimmymiko, Oct 1, 2006.

  1. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    No, just trying to get through the FUD of many Tivo'ites who think that any DVR that doesn't have Tivo is a piece of crap. That just isn't the case. The HR20 is a very nice box.
    Is it perfect? No.
    Do some people have issues with it? Sure.

    But it's a very solid box. One look at this forum you see post after post after post of problems with the HR10 and one would think it's a piece of junk but it all get's ignored by the Tivo coolaid. Brand new HR20 on the block, only has been released for a month and a half and there are posts of problems at dbstalk about it and it's lynched by the same people as being crap and see, we told you so D*, shoulda stuck with Tivo.

    Bunk.
     
  2. JoeSchueller

    JoeSchueller New Member

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    FUD indeed. Well said. Until you've lived with both, I can't see how you can label the HR20 as either inferior or an upgrade.
     
  3. bwaldron

    bwaldron New Member

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    Sure, some folks go over the top a bit (both pro and anti HR10/HR20).

    For me, it's not a "religious" issue. There's a lot to like about the Tivo interface, though I actually preferred ReplayTV and only switched for the advantages of integration.

    I'm more than willing to give the new HR20 a try once OTA is available, though the current lack of dual buffers is problematic. For me, the user interface is important, but reliability comes first. Tivo has proven itself in that regard; hopefully the HR20 will as well.
     
  4. Cudahy

    Cudahy New Member

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    Cudahy,...
    So if you love the HDTivo and want to stay with Directv what will we have to do in the future(next year?, 2 years from now?)
    Six years ago I was reading about how everything would be in HD by 2006. What's the projection now? 2008?
     
  5. Sir_winealot

    Sir_winealot Seenyer Member

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    Well, I'm not one to split hairs but.... isn't that to be expected on a TiVo forum? :rolleyes:

    I mean, I read the TiVo bad-mouthing over at DBS but I don't feel like I need to preach in its' defense over there ...I don't see the point. :shrug:

    Personally ...I'll use whatever works best, and for me it's currently the HR10. If the bugs in the HR20 are all worked out and series link works consistantly, and dual buffers are implemented along w/the OTA ...well, maybe then it's time to talk it up.

    Choice is good, but I can wait.

    Until that time, what I have now never misses a recording and has served me well.


     
  6. JoeSchueller

    JoeSchueller New Member

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    There's no mandate for anything to go HD, just a mandate to repurpose the current signal spectrum dedicated to analog TV broadcast today. Moving to digital broadcast for OTA TV frees up a huge frequency range which the gov't can auction off in much smaller chunks at huge profits. It has nothing to do w/ PQ.
     
  7. mcdougll

    mcdougll Occasionally Lucid

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    Umm, the HR10-250 IS a TiVo-based system. The 6.3 software upgrade is TiVo-based software.

    What did you think it was?
     
  8. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    There has been a plan for a couple years now: All new HD released by DirecTV will be in MPEG4. Only the H20 and now the HR20 DVR can decode MPEG4. The HR10 (HDTivo) cannot (and can't be upgraded to do so).

    In addition DirecTV is launching 2 new sats next year to be used for national HD. All current HD channels will be converted to MPEG4 afterwords, perhaps mid 2008 at the latest they will be done, perhaps sooner if all goes well with the launches.

    Once that happens then the HDTivo will no longer be able to record HD from the sats, only HD from OTA (as well as the standard def stuff).

    So at some point within 2 years if you want to stay with DirecTV and want to get HD from them you will need to get a receiver that does MPEG4.
     
  9. DDayDawg

    DDayDawg New Member

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    I'm not going to enter the fray too much on this general topic but I did want to point out the flaw in these "why renew" arguments. If you look at what was happening at the time of the renewal it was obvious why. TiVo is starting to activly defend their many patents on the DVR technology. Most, if not all DVRs, violate some part of their patents. Many people who made DVRs were sitting on the sidlines waiting to see how the first court challenge went. So, when Dish Network almost got their entire DVR complement shut down (if not for a timely injunction) it scared the hell out of alot of people.

    So, why did DirecTV renew their contract with TiVo? Simple, to prevent being the next head on the lawsuit chopping block. DirecTV had said publicly that they were ending the relationship with TiVo. I believe it was fully their intention to end the relationship. And I am also sure that TiVo let them know exactly what was going to happen if they did end the relationship.

    Oh, and I completely agree with others who said that the 6.3 upgrade is a marketing ploy to prevent customers from jumping to the Series 3. It worked on me, without 6.3 in the pipeline I was definitely switching.
     
  10. bbodin

    bbodin New Member

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    As you've said, this has been the plan for a few years now, but look no furthur than ST as proof that they aren't willing to push all new HD over to MPEG4 just yet. Wouldn't it be easier for them to broadcast ALL NFL games in HD using MPEG4, rather than giving us a subset of games on MPEG2 and only doing that by shutting down TNT-HD and PPV for half the day? They chose to keep ST on MPEG2 because there would be a minor uproar if they made the switch right now. I'm not even sure they'll do it next year either. If I had to guess, I'd say by 2008, ST will be in MPEG4.

    I definitely agree with your premise, that new National HD will go onto MPEG4 and all HD-Locals will, obviously. Eventually all HD will go over as well. I don't expect the latter to happen until 2008 personally (based on sat problems, rollouts, upgrades, etc.) and by then I will have gotten plenty of use out of my current HD tivo (and at that point, it becomes an SD Tivo/OTA HD tivo since I don't believe they'll ever move SD over to MPEG4...so even then, it's still not a useless device)
     
  11. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    Sure they would, but they can't until the 2 new sats go up. The Spaceway's that are there now are spotbeam only sats. So they can't move ST over to MPEG4 just yet. Plus the fact the HR20 just now came out. But you can bet that ST in HD will be in MPEG4 next year as the last ditch attempt to get people to switch to MPEG4 on their own.

    We know the plans, just how fast they get done is the unknown.
     
  12. jimmymiko

    jimmymiko Just another day!

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    Sarcasm. :) :D
     
  13. finaldiet

    finaldiet New Member

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    Off subject but I noticed you have an SXRD. I was wondering how you like it? I'm considering the 50" SXRD. It looked great!!!
     

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