Who Wants A Hybrid?

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  1. May 1, 2009 #21 of 127
    lrhorer

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    Which to me might be an important point. Will your system work well enough in fixed mode, though? It's what I use on both my HD sets.
     
  2. May 1, 2009 #22 of 127
    cdeckert219

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    What's hybrid? ;)

    Seriously, mine are set to native. Works for me!
     
  3. May 2, 2009 #23 of 127
    jaredmwright

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    1080i fixed as well on both my Series3 and HD using component, HDMI is too problematic splitting throughout the house to multiple displays.
     
  4. May 2, 2009 #24 of 127
    cgould

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    My RP CRTV works well with 480p and 1080i; fails on 720p. (component, no HDMI)
    So, I live for hybrid! please don't take it away.

    One reason to not do 1080i fixed? (upconverting 480)?
    The Tivo & my TV do a great job video-quality-wise w/ 480i-> 480p, much better than 1080i upscaled;
    but most important, I retain the aspect-ration control on 480p : not available on 1080i. Very annoying how many SD channels, even digital, broadcast letterboxed programs :p Luckily, Tivo's "zoom" mode is extremely good picture quality, although it tends to cut off the top/bottom a bit.

    If you give aspect control over 1080i also, and better quality on upscaling, then fixed is ok.
     
  5. May 2, 2009 #25 of 127
    MickeS

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    This thread should be turned into a poll. :)
     
  6. May 2, 2009 #26 of 127
    martyscholes

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    I use native because I assumed, but never tested, that the display could upconvert better than the Tivo. I must say it is a pain having two sets of aspect controls.

    I am guessing that keeping progressive output native instead of forcing it to 1080i also gives a better picture.

    I always wondered why there is a hybrid option.
     
  7. May 2, 2009 #27 of 127
    aforkosh

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    I use Native for the following reason:

    My display is 1080p and there are no 1080p broadcasts. Therefore, no matter what, the display will need to a conversion at the end of the process. Since some pixel interpolation is involved in any conversion there is some loss of accuracy for every conversion done. therefore, I prefer to convert only once and my only choice is to do that conversion at the display level.

    Note: every time I change between signals of different resolutions (480i, 720p, 1080i, there is a noticeable delay. I too would prefer that the TiVO menu be displayed using the resolution of the channel last displayed to allow it to be displayed quicker.
     
  8. May 2, 2009 #28 of 127
    spocko

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    My thoughts:

    - Native should be changed so that it is truly native for 480i/p. It should never insert side bars into the image as it does now in native/panel/16:9 mode, because that causes loss of resolution. See this thread for further discussion:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=414782

    - The Hybrid modes should be retired and replaced with a "Custom" mode. In Custom mode, the user would be allowed to specify the output resolution for each input resolution. This would allow people to do whatever they want, and would provide compatibility for any TV. For example, I might choose to output 720p as native 720p, and all other resolutions as 1080i.
     
  9. May 2, 2009 #29 of 127
    AgentMunroe

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    I use 1080i Fixed (the mode switches on our Sony flat panel are long and distracting) - not even sure what Hybrid is off the top of my head.
     
  10. May 2, 2009 #30 of 127
    Phantom Gremlin

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    Yes I also encountered this problem with my RPTV. Hybrid mode is quite useful to work around this limitation.

    The delays are very annoying and TiVo should follow your suggestion to fix the problem.
     
  11. May 2, 2009 #31 of 127
    lafos

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    I have an older Toshiba rear projection TV, and one component input can handle 480p and 720p, while the other can handle 480p and 1080i. I use hybrid on that TV, but could probably live with fixed.
     
  12. May 2, 2009 #32 of 127
    clark_kent

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    Native only for me.

    How about asking what the TCF thinks about 2 tuners vs 4 tuners. :up:

    I'm not suggesting that TiVo offer only one box with 4 tuners, take it or leave it.

    The market for a 2 tuner box is much bigger then the market for a 4 tuner box. But, you could have one TiVo box that's 2 tuners only ($249), but with some fancy new features and that fancy new HD GUI. And, you could also have a premium TiVo box (Series 4 :)) that comes with 2 tuners ($499) but is also available with 4 tuners ($799). Even better, offer to "future proof" that premium Series 4 by allowing a customer to start with 2 tuners and have it be upgradable to 4 tuners down the road. :up::up::up:
     
  13. May 2, 2009 #33 of 127
    jeffw_00

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    i use 1080i fixed because I don't like the jump/delay on my Samsung LCD TV whenever the resolution changes. Tivo handles the upscaling much more smoothly
     
  14. May 2, 2009 #34 of 127
    pilotbob

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    I would rather have TiVo create some type of co-operative scheduling app. They wouldn't even have to build it into the units. Heck, if they allowed you to schedule via the API anyone cold write it. Then, if you want 4 tunners, just get a second box. The co-op schedule app will balance the use of HD space and tuners on the two devices. You can use MRV to watch any recording on either TiVo.

    Problem solved.

    BOb
     
  15. May 2, 2009 #35 of 127
    ilikeyoureyes

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    Why take away options? I use hybrid just to upconvert my 480i stuff to 480p , such as dvds I watch using pytivo.
     
  16. May 2, 2009 #36 of 127
    ilikeyoureyes

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    Also forgot to mention I use it on my other tv that doesn't support 720p but does 1080i and 480p. Guess the alternative is fixed 1080i. Wouldn't be pleased but wouldn't be life shattering.
     
  17. May 2, 2009 #37 of 127
    kibo

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    I use 1080i fixed to eliminate mode switches on my TV. I've tried the hybrids and native, but always come back to fixed.
     
  18. May 2, 2009 #38 of 127
    Dennis Wilkinson

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    I used to use hybrid (older Toshiba RPTV as mentioned by others) but I switched to fixed a while back, when I realized that the buik of my viewing was HD and I no longer cared that the display had more flexible scaling/stretching modes than the TiVo.

    Eventually, native may become important to me, but hybrid going away won't faze me.
     
  19. May 2, 2009 #39 of 127
    Adam1115

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    Wouldn't the one guy that has a tivo that can't do 480i over hdmi be able to either:

    A) Used Fixed mode
    B) Output via component for 480i content?
     
  20. May 2, 2009 #40 of 127
    TolloNodre

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    Fixed is a must - don't care about hybrid.
     

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