White Collar "Countdown" 8/9/2011

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  1. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

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    You are assuming.
     
  2. verdugan

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    It was pretty clear that Rusty did sell the painting to the arms dealer. Mozzie used the cash to put a hit on keller.

    No word on the contract being cancelled though. Until they have to pay for the hit, they have the Degas *and* $6M.
     
  3. john4200

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    When was it stated the Mozzie got $6M in cash for the Degas?
     
  4. Roommate

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    In the episode where he put the contract out, shown again in the "previously on" from this week. When Neil hears about the contract, he says "that's just about the selling price of the Degas", Mozzie replies "That's exactly the selling price of the Degas."

    I don't remember the exact quotes, but Mozzie definitely used the money from the sale to put the contract out. (Or planned to, since he hasn't forked the cash over to anyone yet).
     
  5. Shakhari

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    Yet another episode where Neal covers his asset by substituting a forgery for the real thing ... they need some new writers.
     
  6. Steveknj

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    And he must be some artist if he can actually copy a masterpiece overnight and almost fool the FBI :)
     
  7. LoadStar

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    Copy a masterpiece overnight - without the reference painting, at that.
     
  8. john4200

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    That does not answer my question. Where is the mention of Mozzie getting $6M in cash?

    There was already discussion on this show about barter type trades. Hence my earlier question of how the deal went. Cash, or trade of Degas for the hit?
     
  9. sushikitten

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    I assume Mozzie sells the Degas to the fence for $6M*, which puts the money in Mozzie's hands. Keller is still alive so he hasn't had to pay out. There was no direct trading/bartering the Degas for the hit. The fence was for the art. The priest was for the hit.

    *Though I have no idea how fencing actually works.
     
  10. john4200

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    Where is the "assumed" cash? I never saw it in the episode. I did not see Mozzie receive it, mention it, or give it to anyone. All I heard was mention that the Degas was worth $6M and Mozzie somehow used the Degas to pay for a hit.

    It can't be easy to come up with $6M in cash, let alone to do it in a few hours. It is also not easy for a person to carry -- in $100 bills it weighs about 130 pounds. If the deal was for cash, I think most likely Mozzie did not get the money yet. Or it could have been a deal where Mozzie turns over the Degas, and whoever buys it has to take care of paying whoever kills Keller.

    If either of those two are the case, then the contract may be effectively cancelled now, since the payment is now in question.
     
  11. astrohip

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    Having a rough day?

    :D
     
  12. john4200

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    Can't get any questions answered :thumbsdown: :D
     
  13. Rob Helmerichs

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    We know that Moz was selling the Degas to finance the hit.

    We know that Moz put out an open contract on Keller. We can assume that he would have to have cash on hand, since the odds of a hit man hitting Keller and then being willing to settle for something other than cash are probably pretty slim.

    So one way or another, Moz was getting six mill in cash out of the Degas.
     
  14. john4200

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    No, I don't buy those assumptions. I think it is fairly obvious that Mozzie is not a common player in putting out contract kills -- this may be his first. If I were a hit man, I'd rather have the assurance of someone more well known in the business. So, it would be better for Mozzie to choose a fence who is known in the contract killing business, or to tell the fence that the buyer should be someone willing to take care of paying the hit man.
     
  15. LoadStar

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    We saw Mozzie putting out the hit. It was when he went to "confession" with the "priest." That was separate from the fencing of the Degas.

    You do like to argue about really odd stuff on television shows, don't you? I remember you doing this with another show... Fringe, I think.
     
  16. Peter000

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    Regarding the $6M, my assumption would be it's in an offshore account somewhere, waiting to be transferred to another offshore account upon completion of the contract.

    Regarding the painting, it's been missing since the 40's at least so it's highly unlikely many people alive have seen it, and there probably not many photos of it hanging around. So the forgery probably didn't have to be brush-stroke accurate (though the gushing art examiner sure thought it was.) And from what I heard, they were talking more about the technical aspects of the painting... the oils used, the deterioration, ect. And Neal WANTED it to be outed as a forgery, but at least a reasonable one. And rationalizing further, Neal could have been working on the forgery since he found out Mozzie fenced the painting.

    The only thing I absolutely couldn't rationalize was the parachute jump. At least they could have made it a night scene.

    But I still enjoyed the episode greatly.
     
  17. Jonathan_S

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    That was the biggest eye-rolling moment, but Peter locking Neil in a unobserved room instead of handing him off to one of the numberous FBI agents waiting nearby is also dumb. Either you want an eye kept on him or not; but a unobserved room with a drop ceiling isn't at all the same as keeping an eye on him.
     
  18. scooterboy

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    I bet within the timespan that this episode covered, at least one of the main characters would have taken a crap, too. We didn't see that either.

    We don't get to see everything that happens - if it's important, we sometimes just hear about it. It doesn't spoil the story (for most of us).
     
  19. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

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    Huh? The question is not about whether a character "took a crap", but where or how they did it.
     
  20. Peter000

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    It doesn't matter where or how they did it. They did it.
     

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