Which is best for out-of-home streaming for live channels?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by buscuitboy, Mar 18, 2014.

Which is best for live streaming outside of home?

Poll closed Jul 9, 2015.
  1. TiVO Stream

    8 vote(s)
    17.4%
  2. Slingbox

    34 vote(s)
    73.9%
  3. Belkin @ TV

    2 vote(s)
    4.3%
  4. Vulkano

    2 vote(s)
    4.3%
  5. another not listed

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy Member

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    I am looking to maybe try and do some sort of out-of-home streaming of live channels (I am with Comcast). I have a 4-tuner Premiere so the Stream is an option. From my understanding though, you have to basically initiate a recording first on the TiVo in order to get it to your iOS device (via the Stream). This sounds like simple channel changing outside of the home would be a challenge. Also, since I am with Comcast and they flag premium content, my understanding is that I wouldn't be able to live stream my HBO channels/content either with a stream (since it more or less treats it as MRV content).

    I have also looked at some other products; Belkin, Vulkano and Slingbox seem to be the main ones out there right now, but there may be others I am not aware of. I have a non-subscribed series 3 TiVo HD (w/ a cable card) that I could dedicate it's outputs to one of these other devices. I realize I would only be able to watch live channels & REW/FF. No access to recorded material (networked or local) and no programming information, but that is ok for me for now. I also could attach it to a 2-tuner Premiere that is located in a basement guest bedroom that isn't usually occupied so that wouldn't affect anyone else while trying to stream something outside of the home.

    Which seems to be the best these days? Adv or disadv? Or any other thoughts on any of the options listed in the poll?
     
  2. bayern_fan

    bayern_fan Member

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    Slingbox all the way. Despite the slight "lag" with navigating, I find it to be far superior than anything that the Tivo Stream capabilities of my Roamio Plus can currently offer.

    Pros:
    1. No restrictive CCI bit (using component connection)
    2. Adaptive streaming and access over cellular data
    3. Android device support

    Cons:
    1. Navigation "lag"
    2. Cannot remotely download content for local playback
     
  3. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Actually you can using 3rd party methods.
     
  4. bayern_fan

    bayern_fan Member

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    Yes, but this is not necessarily an out-of-box functionality could be done from something like an iPad.
     
  5. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    You don't need to initiate a recording yourself, the Tivo does that on its own.
     
  6. mcf57

    mcf57 Member

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    Not sure if this is a factor for you, but I think development & support is pretty much a dead end for the Belkin and Vulkano options and those products are more or less coming to an end. Slingbox & TiVo products are still being developed and fully supported.
     
  7. Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

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    Sling is is also supported on some connected devices such as WD Live for viewing directly to a TV and that app is included FREE with the connected devices. However, Sling's mobile app costs a one-time purchase of $15. Also, is it still the case that even with younger competitors and TiVo Stream, Sling's proprietary algorithm still provides for the best PQ and best at adapting to low bandwidth and providing best PQ at low bandwidth? I've read some recent articles/reviews in which Sling is still easily providing the best PQ overall. One downside is that the Slingbox does take over the STB so that no one at home can use it without interfering with what you are streaming, while TiVo Stream and Dish's Sling Adapter and Hopper with Sling merely use on of the available tuners while allowing others at home to use the same box.

    However, even with that taking over the box limitation of the Slingbox, the Slingbox is still the best overall today (IMHO) and seems to have the most flexibility or at least the best just like at home experience because EVERYTHING on your remote box is available because you are controlling the ENTIRE box, not just limited access.
     
  8. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time

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    Can slingbox work with a mini?
     
  9. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but you'll need special component breakout cable for the Mini. Previously only TiVo sold it, but recently looks like amazon has it now too (via weaKnees).
     
  10. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy Member

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    Actually, I JUST discovered this last night. I have both a WDTV Live and a WDTV Hub media players and both are great little boxes for my needs. I saw how both have a "SLINGPLAYER" app available to them. This might have pretty much sealed the deal for me.

    Along with this and the fact that there is continued support for Slingbox versus some of the others and Slingbox seems to be the no brainer here. I was concerned about the fact that it totally takes over the TiVo, but as I mentioned, I can easily dedicated a non-subscribed Series 3 to the Slingbox if I am looking to just view items.
     
  11. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time

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    How does that work?

    I thought for a TiVo to work it had to be subscribed.
     
  12. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    If you want just live TV then it still works (without guide information obviously).
     
  13. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time

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    Can you still pause or do manual recordings?

    I thought if it wasn't a series 1 it was essentially an expensive, not very practical door stop.
     
  14. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    No manual recordings. With series 3 I think there's still 30 min buffer, but I believe starting with series 4 there's no buffer so no pause.
     
  15. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

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    The Belkin product was based on Vulkano. Between settling with Sling and what I presume to be poor sales, I've been informed they are done in this space. Vulkano suffered a major setback by not responding to Sling's complaint and in theory are not supposed to sell infringing product in the US.
     
  16. buscuitboy

    buscuitboy Member

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    OK, Best Buy had the Slingbox 350 on sale earlier this week for $99. Between some reward zone coupons I had & the poll here heavily suggesting that the slingbox is the better product, I decided to pull the trigger & get this Slingbox 350. So far, its a great product & I am very pleased.

    I have it connected to my home network via an ethernet connection so a pretty stable connection. I have it connected to a basement bedroom TiVO that isn't used much so it works out great and I'm usually not disturbing anyone. Its also connected to the component outputs of 2-tuner Premiere so I have the option of an HD picture. Within my home, I get a great HD picture on my mobile devices (Nexus 7 tablet and Samsung S3 phone). Outside my home I tend to only get HQ and SQ quality, but that is OK.

    Since I am with Comcast, I recently got the Xfinity OnDemand feature on all my Premieres and it works great. I can also access it with the slingbox so that is a benefit I didn't see before, but am happy to have. Combine this all with using pyTiVo on this Premiere as well to watch my own personal media with the slingbox & its a worthy product to have.

    Finally, I also got it working good with the slingplayers on two of my Western Digital devices (WD Live and WD Hub). I plan to take the WD Live on our beach trip in a few weeks so hopefully that works good too (depending on rental's internet speed). Will then theoretically be able to access my recordings, Xfinity onDemand, live channels I can't get and watch personal media (via pyTiVO). Glad I got it & just thought I would pass this along.
     
  17. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

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    There's a fellow by the name of jimmy that you might want to talk to, he's got an opinion on this (ducking)

    :D
     
  18. Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

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    Unless things have changed, Slingbox forums were full of complaints about the 350, and far less complaints for the 500. I've got 500 and have two devices connected. VERY NICE. Love Slingbox.
     
  19. jimmypowder

    jimmypowder New Member

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    It's not even close . The Slingbox blows away the Tivo Stream .

    I don't even bother with the Tivo Stream unless someone wants me to show them how it works .

    Well did it the other day and error message came up . Could not connect to the stream .

    Slingbox controls are sluggish , which is the only complaint I have about the Slingbox .


    I also wouldn't recommend the Slingbox if you have slow DSL or slow internet speeds . 5/2 Mbps or thereabouts
    could be too slow for a good picture .
     
  20. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I love the TiVo stream and use it all the time. My. I gets complaint is that the stream seems to disconnect from the iOS app fairly regularly.

    The quality is fantastic on my FIOS network and the immediate controls and picture quality are impressive.

    Just this freezing issue that continues to be an issue.
     

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