Where Can I Buy Hitachi "CinemaStar" 1TB (1000GB) Hard Drives??

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  1. MikeMacMan

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    My only concern is if the Ultrastar would be more reliable (longer lasting) than the Deskstar for the Tivo3? I am willing to spend $40 extra for better reliability.

    I would assume yes. It has a 1.2 Million MTBF and a 5 year warranty. The only thing that concerns me is it is meant for "lower duty cycle storage". That makes me think it is not meant for constant use and would be worse for a Tivo.

    I have lost hard drives before... and losing all my Tivo will recordings would make me cry :(
     
  2. c3

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    Any drive can fail at any time. A RAID1/5/etc. system can drastically reduce the probability, but it's not 100% safe, either.
     
  3. MikeMacMan

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    I understand that. I'm basically asking: Would a Deskstar or an Ultrastar have a lower probability of failing when used with a S3? Thanks.
     
  4. jlib

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    In the unchallenging and unstressful environment of the S3 it is hard to tell from the specs that Hitachi offers. It is not clear that even the increased warranty can be taken as a proxy for more reliability in a non-enterprise environment. The specifications are for the most part identical. The low-end SATA UltraStars are essentially DeskStars with RVS (what SCSIRAID was talking about earlier).

    Don't be troubled by the term "lower duty cycle". They are not talking about needing to turn a welder off for a few minutes to cool down between uses or anything like that. All that means in this context is that the performance is less than the more traditional SCSI enterprise drives such as the other UltraStar models that can handle more accesses and data throughput in a given amount of time. So, for example, it might me a more appropriate drive for a simple file server rather than a corporate database server. There is no implication whatsoever that it is not designed for constant use or that its performance is not many time greater than the requirements of the S3.

    A more important question is to find out if acoustic management as provided by the Hitachi Feature Tool will work with drives with RVS such as the UltraStar A7K1000. The specifications are oddly silent on acoustic management which on the DeskStar is a major feature. Because of the way the specs are worded I have a suspicion that gaining unneeded RVS loses needed silent seek (which in the server room would be unimportant). This is something you should find out from Hitachi before deciding the 2 year extra warranty is worth the $40.
     
  5. MikeMacMan

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    I didn't even consider acoustics with the UltraStar. Good point. With the all the suspicions I have concerning the UltraStar I have decided on the DeskStar. Thanks for the information.
     
  6. subspace100

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    Anyone know of a place to get the CinemaStar 1TB drive for under $500?
     
  7. jlib

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    Not too many people would pay $499 for one if ever available when the equivalent DeskStar is $150 less. In any case, you will never find it on the mass market because dealers can't just call up their distributor and order a few hundred. They have to buy them on the secondary market from an OEM purchaser or perhaps buy them from Hitachi in OEM quantities. So, the law of supply and demand comes into play. The one current retail source thinks the supply warrants a $409 premium over the nearly identical DeskStar. Since you have to pay that if you want one there is no pressure for lower prices. Which begs the question: Why would you want one at any premium?
     
  8. mchiles

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    I have been working with Hitachi Storage Technologies to make CinemaStar hard drives available in single quanities to the general TiVo upgrading public.

    In the next few weeks, Hitachi 1Tb CinemaStar hard drives should become generally available at about a $20-$25 premium over 1TB DeskStar drives.

    I will post more when I learn more.

    mchiles
     
  9. subspace100

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    Thanks mchiles! I look forward to more information on availability.
     
  10. c3

    c3 TiVoholic

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    What's the benefit of paying that $20-$25 premium?

    BTW, if you don't need to upgrade right away, the WD Cavier GP line looks very nice. Much less power and much quieter, at least on the specs.
     
  11. SCSIRAID

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    About the only thing would be avoiding the step of turning on the acoustic management feature of the Deskstar.
     
  12. drew00001

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    I appreciate the information but am more concerned when we will stop having to pay a GB premium on 750GB and 1TB drives. I expect such will be when there is more competition at this level. Is this correct?
     
  13. dswallow

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    There's always a premium on the largest model drives. The premium on 750GB/1TB models will disappear when the next capacity increase occurs.
     
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  15. RandyMeinke

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    There are two CinemaStar 1TB drives available at aztekcomputers. I received one yesterday and installed it in an Antec MX-1. No problems at all. It looks like the drive is starting to be available to us little guys. I like the fact that it is designed to be used in a DVR.
     
  16. jlib

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    But at a significant $134 premium to the DeskStar, but at least much better now than the $478 premium of the original source.
     
  17. drew00001

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    BB no longer has the 1TB Deskstars for $399, so the differential is closer to $50.
     
  18. jlib

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    It was too good to last. :( But hey, the Samsung 3-platter (yes, 3) F1 with very impressive specs is supposed to start shipping this month. That should also put pricing pressure on the 1TB field.
     
  19. RandyMeinke

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    AZTEKCOMPUTERS has them for 414.70
     
  20. c3

    c3 TiVoholic

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    which is too high for a 1TB drive.
     

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