Where Can I Buy Hitachi "CinemaStar" 1TB (1000GB) Hard Drives??

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  1. mchiles

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    Does anyone know where one can buy 1TB (1000GB) Hitachi 'CinemaStar' 7K1000 Hard Drives?

    I can find 1TB Hitachi DeskStars and UltraStar all day long. But I have not been able to find 1TB CinemaStars.

    If I am going to upgrade the internal hard of my S3, I only want to do it once with the largest DVR specfic hard drive I can find. I also may buy a second hard drive and go all the way with an additional 1TB external drive also.

    Thanks,

    Mark

    S3 - 250GB
    Humax DRT800 - 320GB
    Replay 5500 - 320GB
    Sony XBR2 52" LCD HDTV
     
  2. mchiles

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    Thanks, But I have already googled and shopzilla'ed and bizrate'ed the hard drive code a bunch of time

    Pricewatch link above only displays "DeskStars" Not, CinemaStars.

    ANACOM is the only place that advertises CinemaStars, but they never got any in.

    Everyone seems to lump all 1TB Hitachi's into the same link.

    The Hitachi codes for the CinemaStar are 0A35274 - HCS721010KLA330
     
  3. jlib

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    The CinemaStar is an OEM-type drive not intended for retail. It may eventually be possible to obtain one in the secondary market but it will probably be more expensive than the commodity DeskStar drives. Additionally, you will receive no particular benefit from its DVR features, none of which the S3 can utilize. An detuned Deskstar is a practical equivalent and is readily available as you and dswallow observed .
     
  4. drew00001

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    You can reduce the acoustics on a deskstar, but doing so does not make it a Cinemastar. I asked similar questions in another post and several others seemed to think getting a cinemastar was not necessary. I don't have the link but you should be able to find such by searching "cinemastar."
     
  5. jlib

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    From the perspective of the S3 there are no other differences so in a way it does make it a "CinemaStar".
     
  6. jtown

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    I have a 1tb deskstar and, with acoustic management configured properly, it is very quiet. It makes slightly more noise than the S3's original drive but I only noticed the difference because I turned off every other device in the house specifically to listen for acoustic changes caused by the new drive. From more than 3' away and I can't tell the difference. With acoustic management maxed, the sound of the heads moving is a gentle swishing sound rather than the usual hard chatter.

    Bottom line: Unless you use the S3 for a pillow, you won't be able to tell the difference between the deskstar (with acoustic management configured) and the original drive that's in the S3.
     
  7. kwasi

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    Hi,
    You can buy Hitachi 1TB CinemaStar 7K1000 Hard Drive from this Memory4Less site. Search these part numbers on this site.

    Hitachi 1TB Hard Drive Part Numbers:
    0A35274
    HCS721010KLA330

    I can't send you web address on this post thats why you can search Memory4Less on google, where you can find the web site.
     
  8. TydalForce

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  9. mchiles

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    Interesting... Their price is DOUBLE what others list them for.

    I called memory4less and they insist that is the price and that they have them is stock.

    I'll wait. Other suppliers are supposed to be getting in some stock in the next few weeks at a more reasonable ~$375 per drive.
     
  10. jlib

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    Who else lists them (HCS721010KLA330) for sale?
     
  11. MikeMacMan

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    I want a CinemaStar because I want a drive that is made for 24/7/365 use for a long period of time (years). I don't understand how much difference there is between a "regular drive" and a "24/7" drive. The FAQ on this forum on external drives recommends a "24/7 drive". I am just worried because there is no way to back this up. If that drive fails you lose all recordings contained on it.
     
  12. jlib

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    There is no such thing as a "24/7 drive". It is just a made-up concept. A warm fuzzy if you will. At least none of the manufacturers use it or any similar notion. The only difference between the CinemaStar and the DeskStar is the firmware.
     
  13. MikeMacMan

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    From the Series 3 eSATA FAQ:

    29. What are recommended drives to use with a separate eSATA enclosure?

    Members concerned about long-term reliability should choose a drive certified for 24/7 operation.​
     
  14. c3

    c3 TiVoholic

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    From FAQ 25: "Ultimately, one must decide whether they are willing to pay a premium for extra 'peace of mind.'"

    Salesmen tell you how reliable the products are, and then they turn around to sell you extended warranties.
     
  15. jlib

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    Even a manufacturer's so-called Enterprise level drives aren't certified for 24/7 usage as opposed to their more mainstream offerings. An Enterprise drive will have more performance for sure (performance unneeded by the S3, by the way) but none of the manufacturers imply, let alone certify, that even their low-end drives are not capable of 24/7 usage.

    Western Digital even says it is less stressful to leave their external drive (which like most manufacturers contains one of their lower end drives) on 24/7, athough perhaps in alignment with "green" responsibility they do recommend to turn them off when not in use but there is no suggestion that that will make them last longer:
    "The initial power-on process is generally harder on the internal components of a hard drive than spinning for extended periods. However, Western Digital drives are designed to handle either scenario."​
    Hitachi does include an availability spec for their drives (or at least used to) and lists it as 24/7 for their mainstream drives, the same as their Enterprise drives. Certification implies a distinction. If even their low end drives have 24/7 availability what is the distinction? And maybe at one time small 2.5" drives weren't intended for 24/7 usage but even that is not true anymore.

    There may be some quality and reliability differences between models and manufacturers but the ability of a modern drive to operate 24/7 is not one of them.
     
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  17. jlib

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    The UltraStar is overkill. What is the difference between the other 2 DeskStars? They are both listed as bare drives so the difference is not the retail package.

    Edit: Newegg has the DeskStar with the 0A34915 SKU mislabled. It is the retail box package not the OEM bare drive. They are both the same drive. The cheaper one has no box and no cables are furnished.
     
  18. drew00001

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    The Ultrastar is $399 on Newegg and the Cinemastar is $758.09 on memory4less.com. Which one is overkill? ;)
     
  19. SCSIRAID

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    Ultrastar and other 'near line storage/enterprise' drives have accelerometers and software for compensating for RV (rotational vibration). The base drives are sensitive to vibration from other drives or even system fans. SAS drives in the same enclosure as SATA drives can vibrate the crud out of a 'desktop' SATA drive. S3 is a very controlled environment and shouldnt need the additional RV tolerance.
     

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