When will HD channels be lost on HR-10-250

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  1. GG301

    GG301 New Member

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    I wanted to know if anyone knows when the hr 10 250 will start to loose high definition channels? Or will I continue to receive them after the 19th.
     
  2. terpfan1980

    terpfan1980 It's Just TV TCF Club

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    Local channels that you get 'over the air' no time soon (i.e., you'll keep getting them over the air and still be able to record them as you currently do).

    Other channels -- MPEG2 high-def channels that are sent over satellite -- is anyone's guess really, but.... most people don't expect the channels that are there currently to be phased out too quickly.

    It will take time for DirecTV to replace equipment for customers that want to replace it, and for as long as customers can get channels that they will pay for, there really is no reason for DirecTV to rush into eliminating channels until they really have to.

    The people receiving MPEG4 channels will get them from another satellite, that is parked in another location in space, so there's no immediately conflict on needing to eliminate current channels in order to get new ones sent down from the sats.

    So, wait, wait, and wait more for official announcements. And keep in touch here, and/or over at http://www.dbstalk.com and other similar sites.
     
  3. GG301

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    Thanks for the info.
     
  4. Redux

    Redux No intent to annoy

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    No reason to think OTA HiDef will ever go. As far as existing satellite mpeg2:

    I think it's pretty clear that no one except _possibly_ an inner few within DirecTV know that, and if they do they have not shared it with their marketing tools inside or outside the Company.

    Personally, I think no one at all knows. Too many issues still in flux and no need to make precipitous decisions. Arguments by some that there is any need at all for them to be discontinued are far from compelling.

    Of course according to some they're gone already.
     
  5. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    Actually... I think it is going to be a LOT quicker then you may think.

    HBO is going to start broadcasting all of their stations, in MPEG-4 format.
    Once they do that, I can't see DirecTV decompressing, then re-compressing in MPEG-2.

    It has already been stated that Sunday Ticket 2008 will be in MPEG-4.

    TNT-HD will probably be switched over quickly, at least in a simulcast mode... to avoid the lost of it during Sunday Ticket.

    While there is no official announcement... you can bet they are going to push the envelope... even if it is to accelerate people to pro-actively replacing their MPEG-2 only HD equipment....

    They want the MPEG-2 HD off the 101/110/119 SATs.. ASAP.
     
  6. samike2004

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    DirecTV and push the envelope is a oxymoron....
     
  7. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    What issues are still in FLUX?


    As for the reasons they need to move them...

    The main reason is that the MPEG-2 HD take a significant amount of bandwith from the 101/110/119... where they are pretty much maxed out.

    The need to get space on those birds, to move local programming from the 78 sat, because that particular slot is already slated to be given to another company very soon.... so they need space for all of those.

    They want to get some of the international programming off the 95 sat...
    So they can offer it to a larger population, without the need for a 2nd dish.

    They also want to add more SD networks, which will be on the 101, sat.
     
  8. ebonovic

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    Why is that?
     
  9. terpfan1980

    terpfan1980 It's Just TV TCF Club

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    I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you Earl, but I would expect that some channels will be moved quicker than others with the main driver being how many customers can be kept as paying subscribers for the longest period of time without having to replace too many receivers. Replacing receivers costs money while having a large majority of customers keep paying because there is enough value there makes money for DirecTV.

    There's a balance there that I'm sure that the people crunching numbers at DirecTV have thought about and will work with. They'll offer credits perhaps, and reduce the number of channels that are there in MPEG2 over time (as you said, probably by making the same channels available in MPEG4 before killing the MPEG2 copy) so they can reduce the bandwidth they are using over time.

    Certainly by football season 2008 makes sense, and perhaps by New Years of 2008 even makes sense, but I expect some channels will still there be there in MPEG2 for a while because DirecTV can keep making money on them.

    Actually, it kind of makes me think that perhaps the earliest channels to go would be something like Showtime or HBO. Eliminate Showtime, as an example, and DirecTV can keep charging the same $10 for the suite of other channels that are in hi-def (MPEG2) for now. DirecTV'll still get back bandwidth, but not tick off that many customers initially.

    If that goes ok, then they might take a swing at HBO in the same manner.

    As either of those two channels is moved, the fans of those channels get pushed into upgrading their equipment in some way or another.

    Showtime has fewer subs (or least normally has fewer paying subs), so starting there kind of makes sense.

    I don't remember the math, but it used to be something like 4 - 6 SD channels fit into the space where 1 HD channel was. So, losing a couple of channels frees up space fairly quickly while keeping that stream of paying customers there while DirecTV gets people to upgrade.
     
  10. ebonovic

    ebonovic has gone his way...

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    But on the flip...

    Move them too slowly... and chop away at the channels in the $9.99 pack... you are going to get more and more complaints that they are paying the $9.99 for them, but don't get the same number...

    So it is a double catch...
     
  11. terpfan1980

    terpfan1980 It's Just TV TCF Club

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    That's exactly what I was trying to say above. If DirecTV moves too quickly, they will tick off those paying customers, but if they move too slowly they don't free up bandwidth and they'll keep having customers complain about 'HD-Lite' and other problems that have existed because of cramming too much into too small a pipe.

    The pay channels (HBO and Showtime) make some sense to lose first because they traditionally weren't part of the separate HD package. While DirecTV would make customers that pay for those premium packages just to get the hi-def versions of those channels mad, they could probably make that up with credits for Showtime for free for some period of time combined with sweet heart pricing to get the customer to move to HR20, HR21, or other MPEG4 hi-def receiver. Once that customer is moved, they will no longer care where the hi-def comes from.

    Repeat that same process with HBO and when done DirecTV will likely have moved a healthy portion of their hi-def customers off of MPEG2 over to MPEG4 and then they can deal with the other channels fairly quickly while continuing to give out credits for programming that people are losing and/or continuing to offer low cost system upgrades to get people moved.

    If they (DirecTV) handle it right they can minimize the complaints and yet still move people to MPEG4 as quickly as possible.

    Personally, I'm thinking that if DirecTV is able to drop 2 or 3 MPEG2 hi-def channels, they'll be able to improve the picture quality all around (if they reallocate that bandwidth). It would help them be able to minimize the need to whack channels during the Sunday Ticket and ESPN Gameday packages and that too helps eliminate problems with customers crying that they are losing programming that they are paying for.

    As seen in threads over on http://www.dbstalk.com every year the complaints return about channels like TNT-HD (Stretch-o-vision) that get whacked to make room for Sunday Ticket. Last year it drove me a little crazy as there was stuff on TNT that I wanted to see (NASCAR as an example). This year, not so much. Still, you (Earl) know that there's plenty of complaints any time a channel is removed -- including the pay-per-view channels where customers pay for an all-day rental only to find that the channel disappeared for part of the all-day that they thought they had.
     
  12. ebonovic

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    IMHO... they should do it like a band-aid....
    Just rip-it off quickly, deal with the initial pain... and then be done with it...

    ;)
     
  13. bigpuma

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    I imagine once the new HD channels are up and running a lot of people will be calling for ugrades to the HR20. We already see this happening but I expect it will increase when the channels are live. After enough people have voluntarily changed receivers DirecTV will offer free upgrades to those that haven't and will give a date when they will shut off mpeg-2 HD completely. Also I never doubt Earl.
     
  14. rbreding

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    I am not sure if this is a coincidence or not....but I have checked two of our HR10-250's in two differenct locations and both of them show some of the MPEG2 HD channels with no guide data as of 7pm CDT 9/20 (posted in another thread).

    For those of you wondering check your HD channels in the guide at 7pm 9/20 and see if some of them are missing guite data......
     
  15. ebonovic

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  16. IOTP

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    I am sure I can speak for everyone on this one.

    Christ man..

    Just get off the dime and get he HD MPEG-4 stations online.

    Enough already.
     
  17. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    Huh IOTP? You don't speak for me. The timeline has seemed just fine. Would I like them sooner? Sure, but I don't think it has anything to do with not getting "off the dime"
     
  18. milominderbinder

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    As of this morning people were still getting deals of anywhere from free to $199 for HR20's:

    Here are the steps.

    - Craig
     
  19. wolflord11

    wolflord11 Lord of Darkness

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    Well IOTP speaks for me.

    Everyone knows it is going to happen sooner or later. There is no other way. So just do it as quickly as possible and get it over with.

    As Earl has pointed out: IMHO... they should do it like a band-aid....
    Just rip-it off quickly, deal with the initial pain... and then be done with it...

    Again in Total Agreeance.

    Remember Earl also: on this Site you are talking to a group of Tivo Believers. Who will talk hour upon hour about how bad Directv is, how bad their equipment is, while praise Tivo and their equipment Day in and Day out, no matter how much Tivo sticks it to them. :eek: ;)
     
  20. fasTLane

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    They can ditch the premiums and sports pack.

    If they ditch the current HD pack I keep my $9.99/mo and get my fix thru OTA-HD.

    Unless FIOS comes to town.
     
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