What's with the all season threads?

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by IndyJones1023, Jun 7, 2011.

  1. Jun 7, 2011 #61 of 196
    IndyJones1023

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    No. I can see how all season threads prevent some people from participating. I don't see any way in which individual threads would prevent anyone from participating.
     
  2. Jun 7, 2011 #62 of 196
    Hank

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    They don't prevent someone from participating, but if a thread only has one or two posts due to lower interest*, there won't be any participation. Compared to an "all season" thread that has many more people invested will generate much more general conversation about the show (spoilers or not).

    I don't think one way over the other encourages or discourages participation-- but they do serve two very different purposes.


    *lower interest because people aren't aware of new threads' existence in the forum.
     
  3. Jun 7, 2011 #63 of 196
    MNoelH

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    Agree.

    I see no reason that someone that wants to discuss a show would have any inclination to post in a whole season thread over posting in a short episode thread. Are you saying that people won't post if there's only one comment ahead of theirs? I think that's silly.

    I know I'm somewhat reluctant to start threads simply because I don't know the protocol and am afraid I'll miss part of the criteria. I have no problem posting in any episode threads. I am reluctant to post in a whole season thread unless I'm staying up to date on that show.
     
  4. Jun 7, 2011 #64 of 196
    IndyJones1023

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    I get it. Goodbye.
     
  5. Jun 7, 2011 #65 of 196
    MNoelH

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    I can't imagine that these threads are indicative of someone's interest in participating. If there is lower interest, as history dictates, there will be shorter threads. An all season thread should have the same amount of participation, if not more, than an episode thread (on average throughout a season).
     
  6. Jun 7, 2011 #66 of 196
    DevdogAZ

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    It's not a matter of whether people are prevented from participating in individual threads. It's a simple fact that when a show is not very popular, or it's plot from week to week does not warrant much discussion, people don't participate in the weekly threads. It's not uncommon to see a thread with 2-3 responses wither and die. However, when you combine it into a season-long thread, that "gets the snowball rolling," so to speak. You have 3-4 people who participate in week one, and then because they're now subscribed to the thread, they all see when there's a response to the thread after week two, and then more people see that there appears to be a lively discussion in the thread, so they pop in and share their two cents, comments from the previous week trigger new discussion, and then the thread remains on the front page and the number of responses grows and people who weren't even watching the show will catch up just so they can participate in the thread because they saw it had activity. It's the classic case of the whole being greater than the sum of the individual parts.

    So what it boils down to is: Should there only be episode specific threads in order to accommodate those who watch later, at the expense of the synergy of the full-season thread? Or should those who watch in a timely fashion be able to start and participate in whichever kind of thread they think best fits the show?
     
  7. Jun 7, 2011 #67 of 196
    DevdogAZ

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    Your two posts here perfectly illustrate the problem. There are lots of people who are reluctant to start episode threads. So the show will air and a couple of days go by with no thread, and people then start to assume that nobody else watched/liked the show. Then someone starts a thread but it's now a few days later and people have moved on, so there's only a couple responses. After the next episode aired, nobody is interested in starting the thread again because they felt like there wasn't any interest the previous week. It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as people think there is no interest, so they don't start threads, and because there is no thread people assume there is no interest.

    On the other hand, if there is a full-season thread, all it takes is a couple of regular posters early on to keep the thread on the front page for a few days, and then more people see that the thread is active and it encourages them to pop in and participate, and next thing you know, you've got 15-20 people participating in the thread on a regular basis, where if it had been broken up into individual episode threads, you likely would have only had 3-4 people each week making a comment.

    None of this should preclude someone from starting an episode specific thread for any show if they want to discuss it. But if you're watching a show several weeks late and you come to the forum and can't find an episode specific thread for a show, it's likely because there wasn't enough interest in the show or that episode to warrant a single thread, whereas there may have been enough interest to keep a full-season thread going.
     
  8. Jun 7, 2011 #68 of 196
    Hank

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  9. Jun 7, 2011 #69 of 196
    jsmeeker

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    I'm not so sure about that. I think in practice, people may be less likely to start a new thread than post in an existing thread. For low interest threads, the person who started one for Episode one may not be able to post the one for 2 and 3 and so on. People don't see the episode 2 thread and figure one one cares so they don't bother.


    I just did a sort by number of posts for TV talk. Here are the results. I flagged threads that covered and entire season, or series. They seem popular and get traffic.

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    I'll repeat what I think I said earlier. It depends on the show. Some shows are served just fine by a single season (or series) thread. Others are much better served by "per episodes" threads. I don't know the specific show Indy complained about. But he is probably right that THAT show is better served by per episode threads.
     
  10. Jun 7, 2011 #70 of 196
    verdugan

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    I completely agree. Unfortunately the OP and others see this as an all or nothing approach so there is no point in discussing it further.
     
  11. Jun 7, 2011 #71 of 196
    laria

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    I started a full season one for Extreme Makeover: Weightloss Edition because it's not really the kind of show that would get much discussion. No one is going to really be analyzing plot points or whatever... and it's a similar-ish show to The Biggest Loser which sometimes went weeks without an episode post, and I never wanted to start a new one to just say "hey did anyone watch this episode?" and then *crickets*.
     
  12. Jun 7, 2011 #72 of 196
    jsmeeker

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    Exactly.. You used your judgement, and I think it was good judgment in this case. Is everyone's judgement 100% perfect 100% of the time when it comes to starting threads? No. Of course not. But that doesn't meant we should stop alowing people to make a judgement call.
     
  13. Jun 7, 2011 #73 of 196
    laria

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    I agree though that the full season thing doesn't really work for me outside of this sort of scope, though... a reality show where people who are going to watch it are probably watching it the same night or at least within a couple days and the thread isn't going to get a ton of discussion like Survivor or TAR do.

    Although even the "ton of discussion" thing isn't as much of an issue... since the forums started remembering your position in a thread forever. :) I used to hate to have to figure out where I left off reading a long show thread before, reading backwards to find the spot.
     
  14. Jun 7, 2011 #74 of 196
    jsmeeker

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    Right.. I did one for Americas Next Great Restaurant. Was it a good call? I guess. Seemed to have decent discussion. OF course, that show DID involve people getting the boot. So, one could argue it should have been one episode per season to appease the one or two people that wait several weeks before starting the series. But in the end, I think that show worked fine. I still might do it for the Paris Hilton show.

    Would I do it for a serial drama? No. Probably not.
     
  15. Jun 7, 2011 #75 of 196
    astrohip

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    Exactly 100% this. I enjoy TV Talk, and will participate in any thread if I have something to contribute. But some shows have such minuscule participation that it's either a full season thread, or no thread. I've started several season threads because I tend to watch a lot of shows that have little activity here (Weeds, US Tara, etc). Sometimes a season will go weeks with nary a single thread, so I'll finally create a season thread, and voila... suddenly there's activity. That slowly lasts all season.:)

    A full season thread beats no thread.
     
  16. Jun 7, 2011 #76 of 196
    verdugan

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    This!
     
  17. Jun 8, 2011 #77 of 196
    jradosh

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    I'm starting to understand your point-of-view, but I still think it's a shame that I (and others) can't participate in a lot of discussion threads. :( It comes across as an exclusionary practice, even if it isn't intended to be so.
     
  18. Jun 8, 2011 #78 of 196
    markz

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    Oh, so you haven't seen the one where Castle

    Just kidding!
     
  19. Jun 8, 2011 #79 of 196
    Bryanmc

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    I hate the full season threads. I quite often watch shows long after their OAD and if I want to come read the responses on a particular episode, I can't in the full season threads. Or if I am done with the season it can be a huge pain to try and find in the full season thread where that particular episode discussion was.

    I really like the format many have adopted here by putting in the thread title: Show Title | Episode Title | Air Date

    Makes it very easy to search and find at a later date. There have been quite a number of full season threads I've not participated in because of all the reasons talked about.
     
  20. Jun 8, 2011 #80 of 196
    billypritchard

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    I guess I'm used to reading show threads on Television Without Pity, and therefore I know that for full threads I need to know the airdate of what I just watched and find the posts that correspond to that airdate. An example is Big Bang Theory, which gets individual threads here but one thread at TWOP. If I haven't watched for a bit, I have to go back in post numbers to find where I am.
     

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