What's cost of a Lifetime to TIVO (Company, not us)

Discussion in 'TiVo Suggestion Avenue' started by desiboy, Oct 3, 2007.

  1. desiboy

    desiboy Member

    Oct 3, 2007


    What is it?

    1) server space?
    2) bandwidth?
    3) Local number setup & load on it?

    Cant be EPG, it is same for all.

    So why the aversion to Lifetime? Especially those who already have one?

    Any thoughts?
  2. andyw715

    andyw715 Well-Known Member

    Jul 31, 2007
    revenue stream

    A 3 year sub or month to month is realized in monthly revenue, providing easier revenue projections.

    Also product upgrade, you are less likely to upgrade your box to a newer version if there is a un-transferable sub on it.

    Although there are some people that need to be on the bleeding edge of technology, imagine if a car company sold a bumper to bumper lifetime (for the car) warrantee....you would probably drive it till its dead vs buy a new car every 3-5 years....the car company would be losing out on new sales.

    Basically those with lifetime subs on a older box get thier tivo service for free (given the price of a 3year sub vs lifetime) - zero revenue stream to Tivo from these subs.

    It would be interesting to know how many Lifetime subs there are that have broken even as a percentage of total subs.
  3. MikeMar

    MikeMar Go Pats

    Jan 7, 2005
    It's funny, I have 3 series 2 tivos

    1 lifetime and 2 multi discount

    I had the 2 monthly upgraded (so i had 2 extra 40 gig hd's)

    I was using the lifetime as a dummy box downstairs to just transfer shows down to (so the 40 gig stock was fine)

    That actually died last month (After about 3 years)

    LUCKILY I just popped one of the old ones in there, clear and delete and I was good to go again.

    had I NOT had the hard drive, I might have canceled one of the monthly ones and taken that drive out and into the lifetime.

    Not sure the point of my story but It's easy to keep a lifetime going because most of the time it's just the hard drive that dies.
  4. desiboy

    desiboy Member

    Oct 3, 2007
    The original question remains: what is NPV of $300 to TiVo today for already Lifetime owners given their company's borrowing rate and cash flow situation.

    The cost I see (other than a staff working on next gen) is local telephone line capacity. The ones online, next to no cost.

    I cant see the rationale for not allowing to current Lifetime owners:
    1) Specials for Lifetime transfers ($100 sugg)
    2) Specials for Lifetime ($300)

    I have a Lifetime'd ReplayTV & S2. I'd like to get TiVoHD and pay up 4yrs worth (considering NPV) once rather than pay monthly

    One bright spot: In Nov 07 ReplayTV will introduce and USB2 HD stick. I plan to get a sub $200 computer and get on with my quest for HD PVR.
  5. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

    Mar 3, 2002


    You do realize that the *only* think that USB stick has in common with your old ReplayTV box is the logo, right? DNNA took the name and slapped it on all-new PC-based software, which has been badly panned by reviewers. And that USB stick is an OEM stick you can get elsewhere today - it is nothing special.

    If you're going to go with a PC as a DVR, use Beyond TV or some DVR package which is far better than the junk DNNA is slapping the RTV logo on these days.

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