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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Stormspace, Jan 13, 2006.
No, I am talking about recording SD cable and SD and HD OTA.
Thanks, makes good sense. So do we know if Series 3 compatible with either DirecTV MPEG-2 or MPEG-4? Or are we facing the end of Tivo / DirecTV forever and ever ahmen with the HR10-250 and other models from the last year or so.
It's up to DirecTV. There is no required open standard like the Cable Card for satellite, so TiVo cannot do this unilaterally. TiVo would need authorization from DirecTV to produce a DirecTV version of Series 3 or an updated MPEG-4 version of the 10-250. So far, DirecTV seems to be moving in the direction of providing their on MPEG-4 compatible DVR instead of going with a TiVo solution. Considering that DirecTV has let their TiVos fall well behind the standalone systems with respect to features like Tivo2Go, I am not optimistic.
As far as I know, all cable and broadcast TV is going to remain MPEG-2, so I'd be surprised if TiVo includes MPEG-4 in the Series 3.
For reasons discussed in depth in a couple of other threads on this topic, the Series 3 will not work with satellite TV. (The reasons have to do with technology, price, and politics.) With DTV selling their own DVRs, and TiVo offering to help cable companies take back DTV subs, I don't think the relationship will be renewed. If you have a DirecTiVo now, or can get one in the next couple of months, it will probably continue to work for some time. But you'll likely never get the really cool new TiVo features, nor will you get a replacement from DTV if your box dies -- you'll get the new (non-TiVo) hardware.
I see that some news reports indicate that the Series 3 will record in MPEG-2, but will be capable of playing back MPEG-4. Perhaps TiVo has chosen to include this in case cable companies start going to MPEG-4.
For me at any price the Series 3 would need to be compatible with the series 2 on networking functions, including the ability to transfer HD programming perhaps as a best quality recording. However with all of the posters here stating that they would sell their first born to get one (JK) it's not very bloody likely the price will be reasonable until these people are sated. LOL!
I think this is fairly unlikely. According to TiVo's rep at the show, it will not recode digital to lower resolution, although it will output at any desired resolution. So to do what you describe, you'd probably have to hook it directly to the input of your series 2, play a show back at 480i, and let the series 2 re-digitize it.
This doesn't make sense to me. It can down convert for a screen but not stream to another box. Prolly a hardware thing. Oh well, my Series 2's work fine enough already.
Yep. It's a hardware thing. The chip doing video output can output both digital HD and analog SD signals. However to down-convert and send to a series 2 you need a digital mpeg2 SD signals.
There are only two ways to do that. Either a very CPU intensive digital down-conversion. (Which would require either a powerful CPU or a lot of time to do.) Or internally route the analog SD output of the video decoder into one of the two mpeg encoders. (Which is a digital to analog to digital process, which will lower video quality more than necessary; and will tie up one of the two encoders for the length of the show, limiting the unit to only recording from up to one SD source while running the downconvert.)
follow the link in my signature for a detailed thread on why the series 3 or any stand alone DVR can not record HD from any receiver be it satellite or cable and that it is the cable card being able to decrypt digital signals from cable that makes the stand alone HD recorder possible for cable subscribers only.
also note that cable companies are very unlikely to go to mpeg4 anytime soon the cost and complexity of doing so out weighs any gain for them since they have the bandwidth on cable and the direction is to go all digital eventually anyway adn dropping an analog channel gives them room for 4 or 5 mpeg2 digital channels. They just have no need like the sat companies do. the mpeg4 playback on a sereis 3 is for downloadable content where file size matters in relation to downloading time.
all in all I can see the cost of the sereis 3 being high and fairly so to recoup R&D and startup costs but since my S2 TiVos record all I need then the two tuners are more convenience factor adn HD is worth only so much to me right now. I can hold out for 400$ for hardware.
The only one thing I'd like to see on this unit is PIP.
I just got a 42" plasma and am now rethinking what I would pay for an HD capable tivo. Our cable co however only has one hd channel in it's line up, so I would guess SD content wouldn't look any better on the plasma than it currently does with an S2.
Having struggled now with a non-TiVo DVR for several months, I'd be willing to pay $2k for a multi-tuner HD TiVo. I'd no longer have to worry about whether or not a program would record, or not being able to start at the beginning of an underway sporting event. Bring it on!
$2k really? That's commitment man! I just can't see personally spending over $500 for it unless there is more content in HD. And I'm pretty sure there arent too many customers who would spend over say $1k.
I'm on a budget that requires me to save for a long time for larger items. My HDTV took me well over a year to save for and that included some lucky breaks on side jobs and great timing with xmas and my bday.
I'd just hold out for 6mo to a year and see how the price was if it was that much to start.
I currently have a HDTivo from D and am getting the mpeg2 feeds. I'll find it very difficult to to purchase a series3 for myself at any price above a few hundred bucks (without sub). This of course will change when D cuts off mpeg2 in a few years.
I'm setting up a system for my folks and would pay up to $700 for their series3.
Just curious though. This unit is being called a series3, wouldn't that generally mean that the series2 will be discontinued once it arrives? The S2 is available with a few different size hard drives, wouldn't it make sense that the S3 is too. The models with 40gb drives might be similiarly priced to the S2, whereas ones with HUGE drives would be significanly more.
at some point the hardware folks and the content folks are going to have to both step up and start delivering. Right now, I have no interest in upgrading to HD, there simply isn't enough compelling content. And to think that HD hardware can be priced at a premium for too much longer is no more than a dream to the manufacturers. $800 for a HD Tivo seems like a premium to me, but I'm cheap!!
I probably wouldn't be first in line either, especially at $2k. Comcast charges me $10/month for a dual-tuner DVR now. I assume TiVo would be $15 + $10 for the two cablecard rentals. I'd be paying $180 more each year on top of the upfront cost of the Series 3 box.
Can I answer the original question, though? I'm not sure. I think if the box were $500, I would be tempted to get TiVo's interface and the extra features of the standalone versions (I've only had a DirecTiVo). It helps that I know that I can likely upgrade the box and that there is a resale market, if needed.
rkester -- That's us too. Our farmily budget is built on savings not debt. All of my AV and tech "toys" have been purchased with cash in hand, and I'm a firm believer that is the ONLY way to go. Early in our marriage we got into a lot of high-interest debt, so we learned the hard way.
I would just like the option of paying too much for it right now. Come on TiVo, take my money. Please.
Take mine too!!!