What price would you pay for a series 3?

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  1. Jan 14, 2006 #61 of 103
    lauerpic

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    I would pay several hundred for the box plus the lifetime subscription. I have one S2 right now with a lifetime subscription. I've been waiting for the S3 to come out, but finally couldn't wait anymore. So, I got one from Time Warner Cable and am renting it for about $7 per month (or something like that). I really dislike the cable co.'s dvr though. As soon as Tivo has a S3 for around $300 (plus the cost of the lifetime subscription), I will switch over to it in a heartbeat.

    Until then though, I'm not going to "waste" money on another S2 when what I want is an S3.
     
  2. Jan 14, 2006 #62 of 103
    jag128

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    I'd prob pay up to $350, but I have to say Tivo better not price this too high or all hopes of fending off the competition will be crushed. I have a few friends who have HD tvs and Series 2, and they are very close to tossing the box for a cable company's HD DVR.

    I have tried to urge them to hold out for T Series 3, but it's a no brainer for them:
    1) HD DVR is out now. Has multi-tuner. Has HD. No additional cost (and is cheaper than what they currently pay for Series 2 service). No channel-changing problems because no IR /Serial connection is needed. Fewer boxes to deal with around the TV.

    2) Tivo Series 3 is not even scheduled for release yet. When it does come out, it will be VERY hard to get the lost customers back, especially if there is a huge cost to switch from free DVR to expensive Tivo.

    Tivo, if you're listening, dont price yourself out of the marketplace! It's ok to brand yourself as the elite product, but at a high price (> $400) I fear Tivo Series 3 will land in the same ballpark as the current High Def DVRs already on the marketplace (Sony has one... know anyone who bought that?)
     
  3. Jan 15, 2006 #63 of 103
    Atomike

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    I'm sure he did - and simply dismissed the faulty logic they contain. Look, I know and understand what you guys are saying. I used to work at a Cable Company. But to say that Tivo can charge more than $300 for a box and still expect monthly payments is just silly.

    Look, if you want to pay $800 for a Tivo, be my guest. But you could go out, buy computer parts, an OEM operating system, DVR software, an HD card, and still spend around (or less than) $500 bucks. And you don't even have your own factory in Taiwan or wherever. Please don't point out how awful other PVR software is compared to Tivo. yada yada yada. That's not my point. I'm just pointing out hardware costs and wondering why people would so-obviously overpay.

    Math is a very under-studied art.
     
  4. Jan 15, 2006 #64 of 103
    HDTiVo

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    TiVo's own research in recent months has shown great resistence to paying an up front price for the box plus a further subscription fee. They've found that a zero box cost and higher (than we pay) sub fee greatly increases sales. This is something they are very interested in pursuing as a future pricing strategy.

    With that in mind, but knowing the HD consumer still expects to pay alot, a moderate box price and higher sub fee is a likely and wise strategy.

    TiVo intends to garner even more per subscriber related revenue through advertising and sales using the newer download and "&more" features. This feeds into the low box price/many subscriber plan.
     
  5. Jan 15, 2006 #65 of 103
    Justin Thyme

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    I wonder if Sony would loss lead a Tivo S3/ Blu-Ray disk bundle- in order to give impression of further breadth of support among trend setting CE companies. BD disk player prices seem to be starting at the low $1000's, and going up to $1800. Bundled with a T3, that would be THE high end AV component for theater enthusiasts.

    Possibly the Tivo processor could hand the interactive BD features (BD-J) and be a full profile BD player. On the other hand, maybe those BD-J features are will be no different than the "angle" button of HD DVDs.

    'Course it would alienate the heck out of MS, but maybe they need a reminder they need to throw Tivo more bones or these kinds of misunderstandings are liable to become more frequent.
     
  6. Jan 15, 2006 #66 of 103
    pkscout

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    I'm wondering if you could post a price list for these parts, as I've been doing that exact research. To get a MythTV box that has 2 OTA ATSC tuners and 2 analog cable tuners with enough horse power to play HD and quiet enough to put in the living room I'm at about $1,500. Oh, and I'd love a link to a cablecard implementation available for MythTV. There are the ATI cablecard boxes announced at CES that MS demoed, but I haven't seen prices on those.

    Please show me how you can do what TiVo does for $500.
     
  7. Jan 15, 2006 #67 of 103
    Gregor

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    Hmmm...Interesting that most everyone on this thread is focusing on the hardware costs here and not the cost of the hardware development and software development costs here.

    The box itself is going to cost something for just the parts, but the development for the hardware and software costs something as well, not to mention any licensing that would have to be paid for, too.

    The cable companies have the advantage of size, afaik, the Motorola 6412 dual tuner HD box is flying off the shelves as fast as they can be made, and the advantage that most of their customers have never seen a TiVo, so any DVR software looks pretty good. Furthermore, I doubt any cable company is making money on them, their other businesses support this loss leader.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Comcast continue to charge $10 for the non-tivo, and $15 or $20 for the Tivo model, as some indications are that the Tivo model will be the 'premium' offering, not a replacement for the current software. In any case, 120 gig is too small to be of much use to me with a DVR, so I'll be buying a Tivo HD unit as soon as I can get my grubby paws on one. :)
     
  8. Jan 15, 2006 #68 of 103
    HDTiVo

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    Talking about prices observed at retail is a good way of covering this.
     
  9. Jan 15, 2006 #69 of 103
    ellinj

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    Based on the current equivalent hardware I would probably be willing to pay around $700 for a S3, not including rebate or sub. I just paid $499 for my HD Sony DVR, it only has one tuner and a crappy guide. $200 for decent software and another tuner seams reasonable to me.
     
  10. Jan 15, 2006 #70 of 103
    DrStrange

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    But I have my time. You're talking about a good chunk of labor on my part.
    It may not be your point, but it's certain a point. You can't just blow off the quality of the software as being worth $0, anymore than you can dismiss the cost of the time and trouble it would take to build my own DVR from parts. You may not mind spending a few days or weeks researching hardware, ensuring compatibility, ordering parts, building, loading, installing, configuring, and debugging only to end up with a DVR that isn't as easy to use or doesn't work as well as Tivo, but you're not typical. Most people would prefer to spend their time on things other than building a sub-standard DVR. Most people flat out don't have the time or skills to do this at all, even if they had the inclination.
    It's also cheaper to do your own plumbing or repair your own transmission. Are people who use plumbers or mechanics just as baffling to you?
     
  11. Jan 15, 2006 #71 of 103
    Heinrich

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    Hey guys!! Great topic. I'm a bit confused though, just last night as I was catching up on some of the TV I like but am not quite so deeply enamored with (Smallville) I was trying to catch up on Series 3 Tivo. I have tremendously enjoyed my DirecTivos through the years. In fact, when I moved to my new condo, it was pure hell and months and hours of work getting DirecTV installed. The Comcast HD DVR was a pure piece of crap, and that's being extremely polite. PM me if you want some more direct honesty about that piece of crap ;)

    Anyway, the installation here has been an utter and total complete nightmare. It took literally about 13 visits and about 9 hours of cell phone calls. Issues included splitting my work order across 2 orders, wrong paperwork, wrong equipment, and a steep 3rd floor roof that some were afraid of.

    NOW I see that Comcast is going to have Series 3 and not DirecTV. I had thought all along that Series 3 was going to be produced as a standalone unit that would work on cable or DirecTV.

    This article last night completely confused me again. Tivo walked away from Comcast and now will produce a standalone Comcast only tivo?

    http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/01/tivo_walked_awa.html
     
  12. Jan 15, 2006 #72 of 103
    TheRatPatrol

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    Anyone know if this new unit can record an OTA HD signal without having to subscribe to cable? If so, I'd pay $500.00 for it. I would get one to record OTA HD locals since the majority of stuff I record is from network TV. Think it will still have 30 second skip?
     
  13. Jan 15, 2006 #73 of 103
    ChuckyBox

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    That article is one year old. TiVo and Comcast have an agreement for TiVo to provide the TiVo software on top of Comcast's existing Motorola DVRs. The Series 3 is not part of that deal. The Series 3 is TiVo's high-end HD, cable-ready, standalone DVR of the future. Both the Comcast TiVo rollout and the Series 3 are expected in the second half of the year. But, again, they are unrelated to one another except insofar as they both provide TiVo features and the TiVo interface.
     
  14. Jan 15, 2006 #74 of 103
    ChuckyBox

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    Yes, it can. It has an antenna input as well as a cable input, and the necessary tuners to do the job.

    My guess is that is will still have the 30-second skip available, but we won't know for sure until someone gets to try out the final product.
     
  15. Jan 15, 2006 #75 of 103
    Bierboy

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    I assume you mean $200 more for decent software and another tuner? I'm in the same boat as you; picked up the Sony to tide me over until TiVo releases its series 3.
     
  16. Jan 15, 2006 #76 of 103
    tgibbs

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    As another 10-250 owner, I agree with that analysis. Cheaper is better, of course, but I'd be willing to pay that much (and presumably I could still get a few bucks for my upgraded 10-250)
     
  17. Jan 15, 2006 #77 of 103
    HDTiVo

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    Is there any reason to buy the Sony box IF you can rent a cable DVR while waiting for S3?
     
  18. Jan 15, 2006 #78 of 103
    Bierboy

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    I'd have to pay upwards of 70-80 bucks more per month for the updgraded cable service, digital box rental and HD DVR rental. No thanks. Plus, I can eBay the Sony when the Series 3 comes out. I refuse to pay our lousy cable company any more than the bare minimum I am paying now.
     
  19. Jan 16, 2006 #79 of 103
    HDTiVo

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    OK, you are talking about recording only OTA HD.
     
  20. Jan 16, 2006 #80 of 103
    Justin Thyme

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    Enough speculation.

    Tivo should put serial #1 of the S3 series on ebay (Tivo donates profit to charity).

    I think bidding would easily go over 10K.
     

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