What price would you pay for a series 3?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by Stormspace, Jan 13, 2006.

  1. Jan 13, 2006 #21 of 103

    pkscout Well-Known Member

    Jan 10, 2003
    Honolulu, HI


    $1,300 including the lifetime. That would make it the same hardware cost as the HD-250 when I bought it, and even using it only two years (or two years by the time I get rid of it), it was *totally* worth $500 a year (or $42 a month).

    Less would be nice, but you asked what price I would pay for one, and $1,300 is my answer. ;)
  2. Jan 13, 2006 #22 of 103

    ChuckyBox New Member

    Oct 3, 2005
    I've said it elsewhere, but I'll repeat it here: TiVo's target market for this box (at least initially) is the high-end home theater consumer who is willing to pay for the best. The box will offer features not found on cable DVRs, and these consumers will not balk at the price or the monthly fee in order to get these features.

    If you doubt me, visit the "TiVo CEO webcast" thread in this forum and you can listen to Tom Rogers say it.
  3. Jan 13, 2006 #23 of 103

    beejay Member

    Feb 3, 2001
    Richmond, IN
    I suspect if I had that unfortunate "accident" my son would find the new electronic equipment and decide to hook it up to see what it would do... ;)
  4. Jan 13, 2006 #24 of 103

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    I don't disagree with that at all. However, TiVo hasn't it made it clear what its future holds. Will they stop selling S2 boxes solely in favor of S3 boxes, etc? None of this is known as of now.

    All I am saying is it is going to be a hard sell getting people to use these S3 TiVos instead of a cable company DVR (depending on what cable company dvr they are offered). The complexity involved plus the total cost may outweight the usability.
  5. Jan 13, 2006 #25 of 103

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

    Nov 27, 2002


    Answer to OP: $0 and $18.95/mo

    This would save $10.50/mo for replacing two HD STBs & remotes, but add $5/mo for two cable cards. Net I pay $13.45/mo extra for a HD DVR with TiVo service.

    BTW my cable co is replacing analog boxes with HDs and charging the same price as before. So Digital (a few basic channels) and HD (a few channels) are now "free" additions vs analog cable. Imagine what that is going to do to HDTV sales, etal.
  6. Jan 13, 2006 #26 of 103

    headroll Let em' Roll

    Jan 20, 2003
    Best thing for me is that with :

    1) the size of the HD, and
    2) Dual Tuner support

    I can replace two Series2 boxes that are hooked into the same TV.

    I would pay 500-600 for the box (as presently spec'ed). Would love to transfer Lifetime as well.

  7. Jan 13, 2006 #27 of 103

    nyjklein J-E-T-S JetsJetsJets TCF Club

    Aug 8, 2002
    I would be very (pleasantly) surprised to see this priced anywhere below about $700 without the subscription. The only somehat comparable thing currently available (and recently discontinued) is the Sony DHG-HDD250. It is a single CC 1.0 box. Only records one show at a time and depends on the less than spectacular TVGOS guide service. This box was going for $800 until very recently. Now that it's discontinued you can get it for around $600.

    So to expect the S3 with all the additional capability, multi-tuner, multistream CC and all the TiVo software niceties for anything less seems to be nothing but extreme wishful thinking.
  8. Jan 13, 2006 #28 of 103

    mick66 Dirty Burger

    Oct 15, 2004
    The 'verse
    I'd pay $400 after any rebate, but if they offered a lifetime transfer from my old S1, I'd pay up to $600. If the initial cost is more than that I can easily wait a little while for the price to drop.
  9. Jan 13, 2006 #29 of 103

    ChuckyBox New Member

    Oct 3, 2005
    What cable company is this and how do I get to the planet you live on? My cable co (Charter) charges for everything. Everything. You want cable? You pay. Expanded basic? Pay more. Digital? More. Premium channels? More. Internet? More. DVR? More. HD? More. Despite the fact that I have a fairly high level of digital service, premium channels, and high-speed internet, it would cost me around $10 per month more to get a few HD channels. The DVR (Moxi) would be $11.99/month more. I could be paying these guys $150/month and I still wouldn't have everything they offered.
  10. Jan 13, 2006 #30 of 103

    mick66 Dirty Burger

    Oct 15, 2004
    The 'verse
    But the question is 'what would you pay?' not 'what do think the dang thing will cost?'
  11. Jan 13, 2006 #31 of 103

    VinceA Active Member

    May 13, 2002
    Bayonne, NJ
    I'm expecting the unit to cost $499-$799 before taxes & subscription costs. At that price I'll get one to replace one of my S2's but I'll wait for a big price drop after Q1 or Q2 2007 to replace the other two S2's
  12. Jan 13, 2006 #32 of 103

    mgar New Member

    Feb 13, 2005
    San Joaquin...
    I would be willing to pay extra for a Series 3 standalone box. To me, the TiVo that can record over the air HD and is independent from the Cable company except for the cable card is worth extra money. Also, according to the Comcast web site, there is no additional charge for a cable card.
  13. Jan 13, 2006 #33 of 103

    Parkmad New Member

    Apr 8, 2003
    I would pay $1000-1200 if it was ready today.
    I would pay $800 if it's ready in 6 months and $600 if it's ready in a year.

    That's based on the reverse time value-interest level theory. :)
  14. Jan 13, 2006 #34 of 103

    Bierboy Seasoned gas passer

    Jun 12, 2004
    Fishers, IN
    Actually $499 at BB and lower at some other places. I suspect they're clearing them out. I picked one up last month for that price to tide me over until TiVo ships their new Series 3 SA unit. Then it's off to eBay...
  15. Jan 13, 2006 #35 of 103

    MickeS Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I will not buy one if it's more than $200 (and assuimg I can pay $6.95 monthly fee for it since I have a S2 TiVo already). I have no need for a HD device, don't need digital cable, and all the other stuff. Only thing I want that I don't have now is dual tuner, but I'm not willing to pay hundreds of dollars for it.
  16. Jan 13, 2006 #36 of 103

    mgar New Member

    Feb 13, 2005
    San Joaquin...
    That clinking sound you can hear is me saving my pennies so that I can buy a Series 3 and a Samsung 50" HDTV (DLP) for Christmas.
  17. Jan 13, 2006 #37 of 103

    bidger Active Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Elmira, NY
    Seeing the prices bandied about here, I believe a lot of folks are going to be doing without a S3 HD-TiVo if they're in any way serious about what they expect the release price to be.
  18. Jan 13, 2006 #38 of 103

    HDTiVo Not so Senior Member

    Nov 27, 2002
    Cablevision, Bronx
    Two HD STBs, remotes, "Family Cable" (the usual full line of analog cable CNN, MTV, SPIKE, BRAVO, MSG, ESPN, YES...) and now those few digital tier and HDs (about 8 or 10, incl ESPNHD, MSGHD, YESHD) all cost the same $62/mo analog "Family" cost before the HD boxes were given out.

    In my case, paying $10 more would get me a DVR; an S3 saves $5.50/mo on equipment cost to Cablevision; so whatever the S3 costs above $0 + $15.50/mo is the premium I pay to have the S3 over the cable DVR. The $0+18.95 I said I'd pay TiVo translates to $3.45 premium. I am sure I'd pay more than that; I'll say $5/mo.

    This illustrates the diverse competition TiVo is going to face. People like you are paying $21 or $31 extra per month over analog for HD w/ DVR. I am at $10. Whatever TiVo charges, there will be big differences from market to market in their price premium over the cable alternative.

    More and more, cable cos. will be offering the kind of pricing I experience. People like you will have even better pricing. Seven months from now when the S3 is out its price window across America may be much narrower.


    P.S. Let me add the other angle from my case. I can keep my S2 hooked up to the HD box for $6.95/mo giving me TiVo w/o HD. To add HD (S3) to that if I pay $18.95/mo to TiVo, less $6.95/mo and $5.50/mo, thats $6.50/mo net to add HD recording. At this point I place little enough value on HD recording to say $6.50 is about right - a luxury even - for me.


    Here's another wrinkle. I have not really considered the value of dual tuner in the SD DVR (S2) to HD DVR (S3) case. I can have dual tuner with 2 S2s and indeed I do, and pay another $6.95/mo, changing the cost advantage towards the S3. However, the 2 S2s give me dual location as well as dual tuner. Dual location has significant value, probably above $6.95/mo to me. To match this I need 2 S3s with one CC each. So the S3 math worsens as a result.
  19. Jan 13, 2006 #39 of 103

    m_jonis Member

    Jan 3, 2002
    Albany, NY
    $500 and no more than $6.95/month (I have multiple Tivos)

    given that it'll cost me $3.50/month extra for the cable cards (for dual tuner).

    Although, I suppose that if they support recording from OTA AND Cable Card at the same time, i could go that route.

    Plus then I'll have to fart around with running even more cable to the TV (two cables instead of one).
  20. Jan 13, 2006 #40 of 103

    vman41 Omega Consumer

    Jun 18, 2002
    If it has dual recording streams, you can replace 2 Ss with 1 box and an external drive (if you are using 1 TV).

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