What next for non cable customers?

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  1. Feb 1, 2011 #161 of 213
    mikerr

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    "fixup" was the script to remove the nag screens and allow manual recordings,
    Not sure if it still works in v255 though.
     
  2. Feb 1, 2011 #162 of 213
    TCM2007

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    It's a test done on each dialup, so any replacement service would be fine.
     
  3. Feb 1, 2011 #163 of 213
    ramtops

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    I *now* live in Hull. I *did* live near Bristol. Where I have Virgin Media cable [sob]. But I still wouldn't be getting a new Tivo - can't afford 40 quid a month.
     
  4. Feb 2, 2011 #164 of 213
    sad_tivo_man

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    I urge ANYONE who is not on the Virgin cable network or who does not have access to it or who does not want it or those who do not want to be forced to buy the new box or any other PVR to lobby TiVo Inc. Their contact details are here

    http://www.tivo.com/abouttivo/contactus/index.html

    And you can either email them (requires setting up a contact account) or go into chat. And especially if you have a Lifetime Subscription.
     
  5. Feb 2, 2011 #165 of 213
    spitfires

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    I second that. The vibe coming from Tivo Towers is that they will pull the plug on the S1 service within the next couple of months.

    If you do nothing to stop that then you only have yourself to blame.
     
  6. Feb 2, 2011 #166 of 213
    Pete77

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    Where do you allege to have detected that Vibe from?

    Since the new Virgin Tivo does not constitute a replacement product in a non Virgin cabled area (that is in 50% or more of the UK's homes) there is no reason to stop service to the S1 Thomson UK Tivo. Also S1 boxes in the USA still receive service even though there is no impediment there to any S1 Tivo customer upgrading to a newer Tivo model and even though some US S1 machines are up to two years older than our oldest Tivos.

    Further expansion of the Virgin Media television service will not be under the control of Tivo but under the control of Neil Berkett (the CEO) and the other board directors of Virgin Media. So there would be far point in writing to them saying that people in non Virgin Media cabled areas are desperate to see Virgin Media tv service delivered so they can upgrade their Tivo to the latest Virgin Tivo model.
     
  7. Feb 2, 2011 #167 of 213
    sad_tivo_man

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    Well that really depends on the spin that VirginMedia may/may not have put on their cable coverage when pitching for the agreement. If TiVo Inc have been spun a story that most, if not all, existing S1 TiVo's are going to or can upgrade then that will definitely sway the thinking over at TiVo Inc.

    Are they paying for this service? Reason for asking is that, as you know, we are not at the moment. Now TiVo Inc is not a charity and so if they were intending for the service to continue then why are we not being charged?

    Definitely not 'desperate'. Very happy with S1 TiVo.
     
  8. Feb 2, 2011 #168 of 213
    spitfires

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    Yes I was waiting for that comment. It seems everything in this forum has to be preceded with "I think..." or "ISTM..." or some other spurious disclaimer. When did people start assuming that every- oops I mean any-thing written on an interweb forum had any basis in fact?! :eek: Can't we just have personal opinions any more? Does every personal opinion have to be justified, dissected, destroyed?

    Boy I am in rant mode today... must be the high baro pressure. Must lie down for a bit.


    NO WE ARE NOT. Even if Virgin cable was available in my village (and it never will be) I am not "desperate to see it" - I effin well don't want it.

    I want Tivo, not Virgin Media!!!!!!!
     
  9. Feb 2, 2011 #169 of 213
    cwaring

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    I assume that your opinion was made using some sort of deductive reasoning and/or after reading/hearing something which helped you form said opinion.

    All Pete was saying is, on what have you based your opinion that "The vibe coming from Tivo Towers is that they will pull the plug on the S1 service within the next couple of months."

    Opinions can be wrong if they are based on incorrect information.
     
  10. Feb 2, 2011 #170 of 213
    spitfires

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    Actually, opinions can never be "wrong" since they are by definition 'opinions'. They are therefore based on the values and beliefs of the beholder.

    Therefore I do not have to justify an opinion since it is merely that. However in order to humour you and to avoid doing any productive work today ;) ....

    Put 2 and 2 together and make 27 (which seems to be par for the course around here ;) )

    Cancelled all the subs in Oct. No reason given. No real reason why they can't continue to take subs for people in non-cable areas. No income for 5 months. Pointedly telling us all to read the Service Agreement. No word at all from Tivo on the future for S1 (Saturday's system message was clearly written by Virgin - it uses their style of prose).

    Therefore in my opinion, the vibe that I personally get, in my personal opinion, using no factual information whatsoever (other than the facts heretofore stated), is that I personally think that Tivo will pull the plug. That is my opinion.

    If you have an alternative vibe then please feel free to state - including evidence (such as a definitive statement from Tivo Inc) - that they will keep the service running. "Gut feelings" and "I'm sure they won't do that" not acceptable as proofs. Anything else is merely your opinion to which you are of course entitled and which is equally (not more, not less) as valid as mine.
    :)
     
  11. Feb 2, 2011 #171 of 213
    TCM2007

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    Only two things have come from "TiVo Towers" - stopping taking cash, and updating the service agreement.

    The first one looks odd. Two possible explanations I can think of a) the Virgin contract says only they can sell TiVo service in the UK, so Sky can't carry on taking the cash (is it Sky who the 310 went to?) or b) they are softening up for a closure.

    Second one could be administrative tidying, splitting the UK S1 service contract from the US one. or it could eb drawing out attention to the rules so we know that thay have the right to turn off the service when they do.

    So you could read it neutral, or you could read it negative - up to you.

    Either way I fail to see what good lobbying them would do at this stage. They are keeping the service going at the moment as a freebie. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth (or demand more gift horses).
     
  12. Feb 2, 2011 #172 of 213
    cwaring

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    Knaresboroug...
    Of course there has been no such definitive statement, but that is what I will need before I believe it. I tend to take things at face value and not read things in that aren't there.

    I don't get any "vibes" from Tivo about anything. They'll do what they want to do and that's that.
     
  13. Feb 2, 2011 #173 of 213
    sad_tivo_man

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    No he didn't. He simply voiced his opinion.

    TCM2007....we are not asking for more gift horses. We are more than happy to continue to pay the monthly sub.

    My OPINION is that I cannot see the point of all the 'extras' on the VM box. And certainly nothing to justify the usurious monthly sub. Don't forget, we are not all bankers or footballers. Some of us have a very limited fixed income.

    Everything the VM TiVo seems to offer is already available either with iPlayer or TiVo (OK..maybe it has a second tuner).
     
  14. Feb 2, 2011 #174 of 213
    spitfires

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    True, but do you have an opinion on what Tivo Towers will do?
     
  15. Feb 2, 2011 #175 of 213
    Pete77

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    So thinking like a marketing person for a change it would seem that if you wish to write to Tivo and/or Virgin about the continuation of UK Tivo S1 service and/or the subsequent distribution at a later date by Virgin of Freeview/Virgin Video on demand model of their Tivo in non Virgin cabled areas you should be stressing your long and happy experiences as a Tivo customer and your wish to be able to convey those many happy and positive experiences to any friends or relatives you have who live in Virgin cable land to encourage them to get a Tivo.

    You should then mention that you really do want to go on being able to talk about Tivo to your friends in Virgin cable land only in the most positive of lights but you are concerned that you might not be able to do this if those of us who live outside Virgin cable land were left in the lurch without any access to the Tivo service if the Virgin S1 Tivo was discontinued without a replacement being available outside Virgin cable land.

    You should therefore emphasise the need to keep the S1 Tivo service going both so that you will then be positively disposed towards a Virgin Tivo model (presumably one with a Freeview tuner) for customers outside Virgin cable land if and when that is eventually released and so that you will be positively disposed towards talking positively about the new Virgin Tivo service to your friends and family in Virgin Cable land.

    Those who expect the old Tivo S1 service to go on forever simply because a few non lifetime customers are willing to pay £10 per month are not going to get very far because in reality the number of those £10 per month customers will go and on declining every month as more and more people stop using their Tivo due to wanting to get HD television and/or a box that can watch video on demand services like BBC IPlayer and 4OD. That may not include grumpy old men like sad_tivo_man or spitfires who just demand that everything stays as it is with the Tivo S1 service for their own personal benefit but that is why they are so completely unrepresentative of the Tivo using public at large.
     
  16. Feb 2, 2011 #176 of 213
    PhilG

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    Snag is, to set up an account you need a US zipcode AND a MATCHING Tivo serial number

    And when I tried chat, it was suggested I talk to Virgin

    But I suppose enough of us did it, they might notice us

    Oh, and it strikes me that if Tivo do keep an eye on this forum the juvenile bickering I have been reading of late really does NOTHING to help :(
     
  17. Feb 2, 2011 #177 of 213
    spitfires

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    To grossly misrepresent Carl, although not unfairly in the light of recent replies to my posts...

    That's a fact is it - where's your evidence that
    There is none - you just made that up. :eek: Total conjecture.
     
  18. Feb 2, 2011 #178 of 213
    spitfires

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    According to Carl it doesn't matter since
    Therefore we shouldn't be so presumptious to think that anything that we say or do will make a difference.

    Obviously we should just roll over and wait for our tummy to be tickled, or we get taken to the canal; whichever, we should just do nothing.


    So the general Tivo-using-public want the S1 Tivo service to stop do they? Is that right?
     
  19. Feb 2, 2011 #179 of 213
    Pete77

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    Please don't make up false and malicious accusations that you have not properly researched.

    It seems to be you who needs to check your facts rather than carrying on with your head so firmly stuck in the sand.

    www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a301229/virgins-tivo-platform-the-future-of-tv.html

    www.virginmedia.com/customers/bbc-iplayer.php

    www.freesat.co.uk/what-you-get/on-demand-tv

    www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2010/11_november/11/btvision.shtml

     
  20. Feb 2, 2011 #180 of 213
    sad_tivo_man

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    Point of information. It is not the Virgin S1 TiVo. Nothing to do with Virgin.

    Your arguments sound like those of the pro-DAB lobby.

    "Look! Wunderbar! You can get all those extra channels".

    "But I only listen to Radio 3".

    "Yes, but you could listen to all those extra channels".

    "But I don't want to. I am quite happy with my FM radio, thank you very much".
     
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