What next for non cable customers?

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  1. Feb 2, 2011 #181 of 213
    mikerr

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    Luddite ;)

    We pretty much got everything we hoped for - a return to the UK with a new HD TiVo,
    which is probably slightly better than TiVo's latest greatest US model (if you include on-demand).
     
  2. Feb 2, 2011 #182 of 213
    spitfires

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    Those press releases have nothing to do with your assertion as fact that
    That's a non sequitur and totally your opinion with no factual backup.

    You simply have no evidence for that. Stop expressing opinions as facts.

    If you are trying to say that wasn't your opinion but you were merely quoting someone else then you should have done that. But you didn't - you wrote it as though it was (a) your premise, and (b) a fact. It isn't.

    Those of us in non-cable areas already have the option for HD with our S1 Tivo. It's called Sky (and/or Freesat). If I want BBC iPlayer I watch it on the computer. To say that I will do away with Tivo simply to get HD and iPlayer is just plain silly. Tivo has nothing to do with it. And even if I got a VM Tivo I couldn't watch iPlayer anyway since I am not on cable.




    p.s. If you think that accusing someone of 'making something up' is "malicious" you really shouldn't be hanging around interweb forums ;)
     
  3. Feb 2, 2011 #183 of 213
    Pete77

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    Is that pretty much everything we hoped for apart from the following apparently seemingly trivial problems to those living in Virgin Tivoland:-

    (a) Virgin will not sell or provide the new UK Tivo to those not living in a Virgin cable area.:eek::mad::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

    (b) Even if they would the boxes do not seem to have been designed to accept DTT/Freeview or Freesat tuners instead of cable tv tuners:(

    (c) Even if (b) could be taken care of a suitable source of Guide Data would need to be found.

    Come to think of it aren't those of us in non Virgin cabled areas of the UK in much the same position as the OzTivo brigade were at one stage and shouldn't we therefore proceed with making the new Virgin Tivo equipment work in our areas on the same basis?

    Potential problems with this are (a) Virgin rent and do not sell the boxes so where could any boxes to convert to DTT or Freesat use be found and (b) I believe the current generation of box firmware is totally locked down against being hacked?

    I will ignore people like sad_tivo_man and spitfires who are clearly just luddites who expect an old form of technology to be maintained forever for just their benefit. I presume that in theory sad_tivo_man would actually still be watching black and white 405 line television if it was still available because he simply refused to keep up with the times. Ditto I presume he will be camping out in the door of Downing St shortly when his area converts to DTT only and the analogue tuner on his television set can no longer be used.
     
  4. Feb 2, 2011 #184 of 213
    Pete77

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    So when all programs are broadcast in HD or upscaled SD why will anyone any longer use their Tivo.

    I have never put anyone on my Ignore list in this forum as I haven't found the need up to now. However your petty and belittling form of posting is extremely tiresome and I may soon be tempted to use this function for the first time.
     
  5. Feb 2, 2011 #185 of 213
    sad_tivo_man

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    You're already on mine. Your postulating is tedious.
     
  6. Feb 2, 2011 #186 of 213
    spitfires

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    Absolutely. In all the excitement, the divide between the haves and the have nots seems to have been forgotten. I suppose that's only natural. :( :(
     
  7. Feb 2, 2011 #187 of 213
    spitfires

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    That is your prerogative - why don't you just do it instead of feeling the need to talk about it?

    Is it ok for you to deride me but I can't do the same to you?

    Does asking you to justify your opinions upset you? Is it too hard to do?


    p.s. just because you're losing.... :p
     
  8. Feb 2, 2011 #188 of 213
    hokkers999

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    ?? still replying though :p
     
  9. Feb 2, 2011 #189 of 213
    Pete77

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    You asked for evidence that there were tv boxes that did video on demand services like the Iplayer without needing to be a computer expert and I provided it but then you say what evidence do I have that Tivo S1 numbers are declining because users are going elsewhere. The evidence is the numerous posts by former Tivo users in this forum to that effect.

    Basically your demand for evidence is just a childish trick you regularly use to shoot down any post here you don't like. With your liking for evidence I would also recommend that you do not ever buy any newspapers and only spend your time going along to watch court hearings.
     
  10. Feb 2, 2011 #190 of 213
    Pete77

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    What a relief. It will save me the trouble of having to add you to my Ignore list.:p
     
  11. Feb 2, 2011 #191 of 213
    hokkers999

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    That'll be on demand that you aren't allowed to record and only contains a tiny fraction of what was actually broadcast then :D
     
  12. Feb 2, 2011 #192 of 213
    Pete77

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    As its a Tivo with a large hard drive and Suggestions I don't suppose you will need to use On Demand very often though.
     
  13. Feb 2, 2011 #193 of 213
    mikerr

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    Relying more on on-demand would free up tuners for other stuff.

    E.g. On demand always has the last 5 eps of Coronation St(!) stored,
    So there's no point recording it.
    That effectively means you have an extra tuner free that you otherwise wouldn't have at 7:30 when that's on.

    Unfortunately on current VM boxes it's a bit tedious to repeatedly search OD as it doesn't save your previous searches, that has probably changed with the VM TiVo
     
  14. Feb 3, 2011 #194 of 213
    ramtops

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    Actually, some of hoped for a lot more, such a service that was available all over the UK.
     
  15. Feb 3, 2011 #195 of 213
    Pete77

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    Quite right ramtops. Especially when Virgin has previously made promises to make their tv services available all over the UK by methods such as IPTV over ADSL broadband but has then failed to deliver on those promises.:mad::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

    It must be all the more frustrating for you personally having managed to relocate yourself out of a Virgin tv cabled area at just the wrong point in time.:(:(:(

    One cannot also help but note that mikerr of Tivoheaven must actually be secretly pleased that those in non Virgin cabled parts of the UK will still have no option but to keep their S1 Tivos in service and hence are still likely to be buying the Tivo S1 upgrading products that he sells at www.tivocentral.co.uk ;)
     
  16. Feb 3, 2011 #196 of 213
    cwaring

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    It's on demand so why would you even need to record it? :confused: Plus, it has the CU services from all five main broadcasters. All it doesn't have is OD content from those providers who don't offer any sort of 'catch up again' service.

    Indeed. I rarely use the catch-up which, of course, is only a small part of their overall OD service. I use the 'TV Choice' service a lot more than I use the 'catch-up'.
     
  17. Feb 3, 2011 #197 of 213
    TCM2007

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    Projecting that TiVo S1 use will decline is of course not something you can demonstrate with facts because IT'S IN THE FUTURE!

    Is it a reasonable prediction given the age of TiVos, the new TV technology in terms of HD, 3D, streaming, interactive TV with TiVo does not support, not to say simply that modern large TVs make the picture quality of TiVo look a bit sad and TiVos are naturally breaking with age - of course it is.

    Put the other way, is it reasonable to assume that S1 use will remain constant, or increase, in the coming years? Of course it isn't.

    So I think you're arguing entirely pointlessly.

    Tactically, my OPINION is that if you harass TiVo to maintain the service, you make it more likely, by calling it to management attention, that the opposite will happen.

    They are clearly not fussed about the revenue or they would still be collecting it; unless there's a contractual reason why they can't. Either way, they either don't want or can't take your money, which makes your negotiating position for demanding maintainance of the service a trifle weak.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2011 #198 of 213
    sad_tivo_man

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    What weird logic that is. Just because something will decrease in numbers is no reason not to try and prolong a service for as long as possible. Otherwise it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    That is so naive. Do you really think that TiVo management are not on top of these issues? If we followed your line of reasoning - I hesitate to call it that - then we would all stick our heads in the sand and hope things continue as normal. Then, because, no-one had bothered to say 'hang on...what about non-cabled S1 TiVo users', TiVo management could say 'oh well, no-one is bothered. Let's switch it off'.

    True and we probably won't know. Can't quite see your point.

    How does that work then? This sentence is not logical.
     
  19. Feb 3, 2011 #199 of 213
    TCM2007

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    You're missing the point; Pete77 was being criticised for not backing up with facts his proposition that S1 TiVo use was going to decline.



    Your view, mine differs,



    My point was the second sentence, that you split off. seems 100% logical to me; you're talking to a commercial company; if you don't have money on your side you have nothing to argue with.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2011 #200 of 213
    sad_tivo_man

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    Understand, TCM2007..
     
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