What is the latest on the HDR issue?

Discussion in 'TiVo Stream 4K' started by ListedGuru, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Maybe there's some more technologically sophisticated answer (such as using some kind of intermediary device between the TS4K and the TV that correctly remaps the color gamut and dynamic range) but I don't know of one.

    All I can think to do (until TiVo themselves hopefully corrects the issue with a future update to the TS4K) is to set two different HDR picture settings profiles on my TV, with one of them toned down to try and correct for fake HDR (i.e. make it look more like SDR Rec.709) and the other set for actual HDR. And then switch back and forth between the two profiles on the TV depending on what is being streamed from the TS4K.
     
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  2. compnurd

    compnurd Well-Known Member

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    You can set multiple custom settings for a single input
     
  3. compnurd

    compnurd Well-Known Member

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    I along with many others could care less what weight you give our opinion. It’s a budget TV
     
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  4. jakep_82

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    While I could do this, it's far from convenient. And even if I was willing to do this, my wife is not, so this is still a nonstarter for me. If this is the only solution I'll simply wait until Tivo releases a fix, or I'll sell it on ebay if Tivo doesn't get around to it.
     
  5. rczrider

    rczrider Active Member

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    Ah, so can you tell me what type of TV - or cost threshold? - a person must have or meet in order for their TV to be worthy of the amazing picture the TS4K outputs? And should we just bypass the opinions of professionals and run it by you, instead?

    Please, tell me how many thousands of dollars I need to spend!

    I desperately need the approval of someone whose most meaningful contribution to the subject is "you can change those settings" on your TV in response to the TS4K obvious mishandling of non-HDR content.
     
  6. BillyClyde

    BillyClyde Active Member

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    It’s not opinion. It is fact. I stated examples and I have the proper equipment and software to measure it. Do you? It certainly sounds like you don’t, so to me it sounds like what you’re saying is opinion, not me.

    It sounds to me like your TVs aren’t mapping the color gamut correctly. The reason those other devices look OK is because they send rec709 SD as rec709 SD. The TS4K maps its rec709 SD into a UHD HDR bt2020 gamut container, so if your TV doesn’t know how to render that properly then it’s on your TV, not the TS4K. I disagree with you, other than me agreeing it should give you the choice. That’s where they made their biggest mistake, assuming all TVs and displays could do the proper mapping and/or users would be smart enough to know this or be able to do it on their own.

    On my HT9060 I can easily set the gamut to rec709 and all is well. That’s an example of not doing it automagically, but I am smart enough to know to switch the color gamut because the source is rec709. I guess your budget TV can’t do that.
     
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  7. rczrider

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    Oh, whew, I was afraid you'd give up on the babbling and say something helpful.

    If my $25 Fire Stick 4K can handle BT.709 and BT.2020 and send that along for my TV to handle correctly (which it does, but thank you for demonstrating again that you don't actually know what you're talking about), then your argument has no basis in reality and is therefore just opinion. The variable here is the TS4K. You can blame my "budget" TV all you want and you can telling us how excited it gets you to "properly" calibrate your TV, but I think we've reached the point where we both know you're going to blame everything but the TS4K and I'm going to keep laughing at you for thinking you know what you're talking about.

    To you do you, chief. If you want to think TiVo has simply aced this whole Android TV thing and everyone's complaints are because we're all too dumb to use our TVs right, you should keep telling yourself that. It clearly does something for you. I'm not going to contribute to whatever it is that you get out of babbling on, though, so have fun by yourself (something I imagine you do quite a lot).
     
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  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    My 8 year old HDTV just died a few days ago so I'm getting a 4K TV next week. I never paid attention to this issue before, as it didn't apply to me, but now I'm concerned. After remapping some of the remote buttons I've really started to like the TiVo Stream 4K. But if it causes quality issues with non-HDR material, especially flickering, that's not something I'm willing to live with. I still have a Fire TV 4K sitting on the shelf so I guess I'll revert to that until TiVo gets this fixed. I don't really care for the Fire TV UI, but I'll deal with it until this issue gets fixed.
     
  9. BillyClyde

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    You’re quite the piece of work aren’t you? I never said they “aced it” there Ace. I said they should’ve given us the choice, like your glorious FireTV Stick does on that budget glowing panel you call a “UHDTV”.

    You may need to educate yourself some:

    From here:
    Display Color Gamuts Shoot-Out: NTSC to Rec.2020

    I could go on to list link after link explaining all this, but it’s not my job to educate you or anyone else here if you’re going to take an attitude such as you have with me or anyone else I’ve seen that tries to speak civilly to you, as I’ve seen from numerous other posts on this forum.

    Have a nice day, sir.
     
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  10. osu1991

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    HDR fixes didn’t make it into the coming release, so it will stay in the junk drawer useless as ever.

    r/tivo
    u/tivopm


    Stream 4K Firmware Update and Stream App Updates

    Hi All,

    Along with the Pluto VOD update we released yesterday we are rolling out new Stream 4K device firmware as well as Stream App updates over the next week or so. These have a number of additional features and functionality in them as well as fixes and general improvements! We've detailed some of that information below:

    * Apps are now accessible from the Left Navigation Menu on the Stream App
    * Remote Control pairing and TV/Audio Improvements
    * Additional Dolby Atmos support
    * Flashing video playback in some apps
    * HDMI-CEC Improvements
    * Many additional fixes

    We know many of you have experienced a number of these issues and we hope these releases are well received. One item I know you're also concerned about is the HDR issues - whilst the changes in functionality missed this release please rest assured we'll have those in another release shortly.
     
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  11. compnurd

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    Makes me wonder if the HDR issue is Android related and they need Google involved since the ATT box has the same issue
     
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  12. NashGuy

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    I've wondered the same thing. Forcing all output to either SDR or HDR is a common scenario on Android TV streamers. Google apparently hasn't built system-level tools into the OS to deal with auto-switching based on content's native dynamic range and color space. So it ends up on the OEM developer to try to engineer a solution. Took Nvidia years to come up with a solution for their original model Shield TV and I'm still not sure it works reliably system-wide.
     

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