What is the average life of a DirecTivo?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by ntwrkd, Jan 8, 2006.

  1. newsposter

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    I've had poor luck with western digital drives. 3 yr old T60 here. Fried M/B and hard drive under warranty +60 bucks from me (power strip device long story). Then that drive was replaced by 2 80 gig WD...one went bad....got warranty replacement, put them in my PC and now i have 2-160s in the t60 plus their 14.95 3 yr warranty. After that is up, i'm switching brands of drives..but i've been very loyal to WD...maybe unjustifiable too.

    Not sure the sony will function in 2 more years anyway lol
     
  2. BeanMeScot

    BeanMeScot Sci-Fi Junkie

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    I've had VERY bad luck with drives. My first one in my SAT-T60 died at about 9 months in. I think the longest survivor was about 2 years. I have had 3 Directivos and replaced drives multiple times in each one. One was less than a year old but I could not get an RMA because it was a replacement for another short term survivor.
     
  3. tbeckner

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    Based upon that failure rate, you could be having spiking electrical problems. That is way beyond the norm in almost all cases. Have you contacted an electrician to check for grounding problems and circuit problems or could you have the devices installed somewhere where they are getting too hot?

    Your failure rates are NOT anywhere close to normal, and there is very likely something in your environment and /or situation that is causing this type of problem.

    The only time I had large amounts of hard drive failures is when IBM and Maxtor (Quantum) had just released the new PIXIE DUST drives.

    Additional Note:

    I am not a normal user, but my background is not the normal background of most of the posters on this forum, but it also may not be that far from the norm.

    I current have ten computers here at home, 6 desktops and 4 servers, and earlier in 2005 I had four additional desktops at home, before my kids started moving away from home.

    All of the desktops (up to ten) have two hard drives (twenty total), and the four servers have at least two hard drives and one server has four hard drives (ten total), and over the last eight years I have only had four hard drive failures out of thirty total hard drives in computers (most of which run 24/7/365) and those four failures where all PIXIE DUST IBM and Maxtor (Quantum) hard drives. I did have one other failure, a Maxtor 160GB that was less than thirty days old.

    So in total, out of thirty hard drives in computers and five hard drives in TiVos, for a total of thirty-five hard drives, and not counting the four PIXIE DUST hard drives, I have only had one hard drive failure in eight years and it failed in the first thirty days (KNOCK ON WOOD).

    I do use UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supplies) or surge protectors on all devices and I have had my ground checked in the last eight years.
     
  4. nhaigh

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    I support this sentiment. MRV to me if more important than Dual Tuners or HD.
     
  5. tbeckner

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    But what is interesting, is that YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO. All you need are some pre-R10 Series 2 DirecTiVos and a little technical help to hack them and you can have dual tuners and MRV.
     
  6. nhaigh

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    I think if I didn't have to go to the S3 I'd probably be compelled to do that but currently I only have one DirecTiVo. To get another means commiting further to DirecTV and it is my intention to cancel the service the day my S3 is delivered.
     
  7. tbeckner

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    I sure hope for all of us that the cable industry settles all of their infighting and gets the CableCard situation and the integration issues taken care of so the Series 3 can become a success. But if they don’t settle their difference, then we all will be left high and dry (like the Betamax/Blu-Ray and VHS/HD-DVD situation). I do see one advantage for Sony this time around; they have control of a lot of source material and understand why the Betamax failed, even though it was technically the best device.
     
  8. jcricket

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    My original DirecTivo (Hughes GXCEBOT) lasted 3 years before the hard drive went out. Mine was kept in a reasonably well-vented enclosure, but I'm guessing the added heat didn't help. Consider I paid $0 ($100 rebate when I signed up with DirecTV), that's fine by me :)

    For those that are claiming the 2nd drive adds heat/drain you obviously haven't checked out the solutions from weaknees. With a 2nd drive installed in bracket they provide and the 2nd fan the Tivo's temperature is often 5 deg lower than stock 1 drive systems.
     
  9. tbeckner

    tbeckner TiVo Fan

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    Great point about the Weaknees solution, it has additional cooling capability, which even in a single drive unit could pay off big time.
     
  10. phoenix_one

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    An extremly sensitive device like TiVo should always be under the protection of an UPS.

    Maybe that's the reason I have not had any problems with it.
     
  11. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

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    My original TiVo (which I have recently installed at my sister's house in NC under the stipulation that technically it is on loan, not a gift), is a modified 14-hour Phillips that is still going strong after all these years. I think I got it in 1998.

    I have a question, though. The reason I gave it to my sister is because I switched over to DirecTV and got two DTiVo's. One's the Samsung and one is an R-10. Neither is modified in any way.

    I understand that the R-10 cannot be modified, which is fine by me. But in regards to the lifespan: if it dies, can it be fixed? In other words, does whatever it is that prevents the R-10 from being modified prevent it from being repaired?

    Put another way, should I be buying up R-10's to keep as replacements for whenever this one goes to TiVo heaven?
     
  12. tbeckner

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    The R10 can be modified for storage increases, just not for additional features, and if the HD fails, it can be replaced.
     
  13. coleren1

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    My Weaknees Tivo's hard drive froze up and died after 1 year and 3 months. I'm still in the Directv contract of 2 years that Weaknees had me sign to get the darn thing, yet I don't have the benefit of the 120 hour tivo. :confused: Weaknees response? Buy another hard drive for $129. Forget that. They are lucky I don't report them to the better business bureau! :mad:
     
  14. yunlin12

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    Stock HDVR2 purchased from BB Mar 2003, replaced with 120G Samsung 5400 RPM HDD Aug 2003. It's always been on an UPS. It ran pretty warm (upper 50's in the summer) for a while until I elevated ~3/4 inch and moved it away from my A/V receiver shortly after upgrading the HDD. It almost always runs under 50F since, and going strong. I'm fine as long as it gets me to Comcast with Tivo, either with the Moto box or S3. I'm not liking where DTV is going with HD, hardware, etc. It'll be a tough day to retire the HDVR2...
     
  15. lmk911

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    Unmodified Sony T-60 purchased 12/00 retired 10/05 – fan problem.
    Unmodified Sony T-60 purchased 01/01 retired 12/05 – hard drive problem.

    Both located on open-air shelf system.
     
  16. copperhead

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    I have a sony satt60 had up grade from weaknees and unit failed in about 8 months. Sony service repaired unit and told me most failures were due to heat. I placed unit where it gets colding circulation and not problems for last two years :)
     
  17. newsposter

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    2 ez to fix problems. :) I'd have to fix them if it was me. What did you do with them? I'm almost tempted.
     
  18. ntwrkd

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    I am leaving D* for this exact reason. Too costly when hardware fails and you pay out of pocket and get socked with more "commit" years. Time Warner Digital in my area looks like a better way to go for me. I want HD but don't want to pay a dime for anything including the mpeg 4 HD DVR from D*. TW has the Scientific Atlanta SA-8300 (HD DVR) and I know it's no tivo :mad: but if it fails, I'll just return it for another (newer, most likely) DVR for no additional charge and no 2 year service commit. Their "Triple Play" is hard to beat and NO I don't work for TW. Actually I despise them. D*'s move away from Tivo and their 4 cable 5 lnb dish is the last straw for me. I will miss being a Sat TV sub. I'll still visit the forum to see how D*'s move away from Tivo and their new direction for HD shakes out. I may have the 2 boxes in my sig up for sale soon and 2 HDVR2's with at least 1 failed HD (out of 2) in each box.
     
  19. BeanMeScot

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    The failures occured in 2 different homes. I have had several electricians come in. No one has ever found anything. All of my machines are on UPS devices. I always had my Tivos on something to keep them off a flat surface.
     
  20. ddobson

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    I put a weaknees upgrade in my oldest DVR shortly after getting it. With their bracket and moving the main hard drive to their bracket before adding the second, my unit runs about 6 to 8 degrees (C) cooler than it did before. It dropped from 43 to normally 36 or 37 (C). I think running 15 degrees (F) cooler might make a big difference.

    I have had problems with another unit that is factory and almost exactly a year old. But my 2+ year old unit with the 2 drives is still running great.
     

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