What is going on with TiVo OTA DVRs?

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  1. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Yep I know. However from what I read the 4 tuner Recast can only record 2 channels at once or something like that.

    Or it can record 4 channels, but only stream 2 shows or something? And if 2 people are streaming something then it can only record 2 channels?

    I guess you'll let me know how it works exactly. I don't have one. But I read there was there was a bit of a catch to "4 tuners" that I don't think is present on a Tivo system because watching a recording on a Tivo system doesn't have anything to do with the number of tuners you have iirc.

    And again, if you really want a new 4 tuner Tivo system then 2 2 tuner Tivos doesn't cost much more than 1 4 tuner Tivo and 1 Mini. You can create your own 4 tuner system on Tivo in other words. But yes it would be quite a bit more than a REcast system.
     
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  2. Adam C.

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    With the Recast you can record 4 channels at once, record 3 channels and watch a different channel live, etc. You can even record 4 shows at once and watch another recorded show.
     
  3. trip1eX

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    Really? I read there was a catch to that.

    CAn you watch more than 2 things at once?

    I guess what I read was talking about watching live things only and he was just grumbling about that and I mistook the way he phrased it for something else.

    It's the 2nd featured review on Recast on amazon btw. But anyway that was a tangent of mine.


    Just buy 2 2 tuners if you want 4 tuners I guess is the thing to do if you want to stick with Tivo.
     
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  4. tapokata

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    The Recast will not allow streaming to more than two screens at the same time. You can record two, and actively watch two others, or record three while watching one, etc. Recast records the native MPEG broadcast, and transcodes to 720p for live or playback. That is horsepower intensive, and results in the two stream output limit. Tablo transcodes while recording, so no further manipulation is needed at playback. Recast, IMO does a better job on the transcode, especially deinterlacing of SD broadcast material.
     
  5. Adam C.

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    Good to know. I'm the only person in my home that uses the Recast so I never attempted to stream to more than 1 screen.
     
  6. pfiagra

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    for me, and I’m sure others are in this situation, a second antenna would mean a higher cost for no benefit since I would need to purchase the second antenna as well as run coax to my second tv
     
  7. mdavej

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    I have one station that's 180 deg from the rest. I mounted a second antenna pointed that direction on the same mast and ran them both to a splitter in reverse right there on the mast (mine's in the attic). So still just one cable going to your TV. No dual input or switching required.
     
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  8. trip1eX

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    Yeah I can see that. IT's a YMMV situation. I think there is a bit of benefit to it tho. The 2nd antenna can be positioned specifically for that one "flakey" channel that some of us have.
     
  9. Jim1348

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    So, this is ATSC 3.0, right?
     
  10. krkaufman

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    That'd be great if it were an option in the TiVo environment.
     
  11. krkaufman

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    There's no restriction for a 2-tuner OTA EDGE acting as a Mini host DVR, is there? Once they switched to dynamic tuner allocation there was no *technical* reason a 2-tuner Premiere couldn't support Minis; they just didn't enable it.

    That said, I have to assume that this footnote from the EDGE for Antenna sales page is a holdover from when the model had 4 tuners:

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    Streaming within the home from TiVo EDGE for antenna to another TV requires a separately purchased TiVo Mini. TiVo’s iPhone & iPad apps also allow AirPlay Mirroring to Apple TV. TiVo EDGE for antenna works optimally with up to four (4) TiVo Minis. A network adapter (sold separately) may be required.

     
  12. pfiagra

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    you could be right but I wasn’t going to take the risk of purchasing a 2-tuner Edge only to find out that It wouldn’t work with my Mini Vox. Therefore, I went with the 4-tuner before they went bye-bye
     
  13. krkaufman

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    Good call.
     
  14. shwru980r

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    I don't have the rotor set to move the antenna for every channel change. My antenna is in the attic and I don't want to have to go in the attic to reposition it. I don't think the stations moved the antennas but two stations moved from UHF to VHF and one VHF station moved to a lower frequency. One station that moved to VHF comes in pretty good at night and I can record some late night shows but it's unwatchable in the daytime and that station is is in the opposite direction of all the other stations that broadcast from the same antenna farm.

    I remember there was one station that moved back to VHF when they shut off the analog channels many years ago many viewers lost the channel. The station wattage was limited by the FCC at first and they had to get permission to increase the wattage which restored reception to many but not all viewers.
     
  15. Adam C.

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    I noticed Amazon is still selling the 4-tuner Roamio OTA (refurb) for $279 including all-in service. To me that still seems like a much better deal than a 2-tuner Edge with service fees. I am actually considering getting one as a backup. My Roamio is now over 4 years old and still going strong, but hard to say how much life it has left.
     
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  16. trip1eX

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    Yeah it's on Amazon but it's weaKnees selling it. ...Which is a good thing actually.

    In addition it's only $250 on the weaKnees website.

    YOu can even order a Roamio OTA with 20TB storage space for $1400 if you want. :)

    OH and if you want even more of a discount - well they sell it on Ebay too for $250. Ebay is frequently running 8% Ebay bucks back type deals.

    Plus you can buy Ebay cards at stores. I can buy them at Target every day and get 5% off with the Redcard. That's another $12.50 off.
     
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    For me personally, I'd love to have all TiVo Edges here even with only two tuners if I could afford them right now (financial issues due to the COVID-19 shutdown).

    Have two OTA Roamios, a Bolt OTA/cable, an Edge, and a TiVo Mini ver. 2.

    But the Roamio and Bolt tuners continue to suffer from a frustrating problem of apparent signal overload and breakup on some of my local channels. Whereas the Edge tuners aren't bothered by the high signal levels and handles them much better.

    Live in a strong signal area of South LA about 20 mi. SW of the towers atop Mt. Wilson/Mt. Harvard.

    The best that I can do to compensate is turn my antenna fully east and receive the stations off axis. But this really crushes the signal strengths of the lower power stations (CD and LP ones).

    Note: BTW, no other ATSC tuners on other equipment here are bothered by the high signal levels either, just the TiVo Roamios and Bolt for some reason.

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  19. krkaufman

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    Have you tried an attenuator? (e.g.)
     
  20. tapokata

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    You can build your own attenators for the overloaded devices, by adding splitters before the Bolt. The Bolt’s automatic gain control circuit dampens down, as well as amplifies, signal at reception, thus most diagnostic screens show SS at the infamous “72%”. That said, I don’t think the problem is overload as much as Multipath.

    If the LOS is taking you through nearby foilage, Multipath is the likely culprit. UHF signals hate moving leaves, and the occasional changes in where the signal is coming from create problems at the Bolt tuner, which by design seemingly don’t handle these signal lock changes as well. It is helpful to know Edge has a tuner with better sensitivity and discretion, although disheartening if all you own are Bolts, like me.
     
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