What is going on with TiVo OTA DVRs?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by atmuscarella, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Charles R

    Charles R Well-Known Member

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    Act up as in no longer receiving a couple of my weakest channels. Last fairly heavy storm I lost the channels and trying to aim the antenna to get them back I lost them for good. After another 100 attempts (from the attic to the lower level checking the signal) I finally got one of them back to a lessor degree - the other is a duplicated network although its video is inferior to the one I lost. Bottom line I'm guessing the terrain has changed enough over the years (since the signal has slowly deteriorated) with a line of growing trees most likely to blame.

    Attic Antenna charges $50 house call and $60 an hour for such services. Not bad at all if he aims and straps it down to ensure it doesn't move from the wind via the attic's air vents.
     
  2. wizwor

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    If you'd like to post or PM me the GPS coordinates of your antenna and the call signs of the stations giving you grief, I'd be happy to take a look at things for you. Make/model of the antenna would be helpful.
     
  3. Charles R

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    Thanks. I know where the towers are located and have been somewhat successful in aiming the (decent) antenna in the attic. Few years back I had to raise it several feet and it's just resting on a couple of beams. It's difficult to get "into" the attic so I only adjust it with a long stick... left or right. I have no way of aiming up or down or really any type of fine tuning. It's just too much "work" to get up there which certainly will need to be repeated several dozen times in most cases - have to jump up from the top of a 8 foot ladder and do gymnastics.

    I rather pay someone to mount the antenna on a pole (mounted to a beam) and be able to fine tune it with a signal meter while he is up there. Luckily once I lost the station after countless aiming "attempts" it came back so I'm good to go for the moment.

    He was booked for a couple of weeks and is supposed to call a few days before he can come out. I'll decide then to punt and see how soon I lose the channel or have him come out... my fear is as the signal has gotten weaker and weaker over the years my days are numbered. If I have him do his stuff at least I'll know the antenna is doing the best it can. Worse case I need something better (not sure how much bigger would actually fit up there) or give up OTA!
     
  4. MScottC

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    The sub-headline gave me pause...

    Channel Master to Market TiVo Edge DVR with its OTA Solutions
    By Daniel Frankel 12 hours ago

    Deal will kick off with the launch of TiVo’s new 500 terabyte device later this summer

    That's some large hard drive. Till you read the actual article which mentions a 500 GByte drive.
     
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  5. shwru980r

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    I had two channels move from UHF to VHF and one VHF channel move to a lower VHF number and I had to significantly reposition my antenna, but I have a rotater. You might want to get a rotater for your antenna and have it wired to the controller in the house next to the TV. I had to reposition my antenna 2 or three times per year even before they changed the frequency of the channels.
     
  6. MrDell

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    I know what you mean... In Rhode Island I had no problem getting PBS station WGBH out of Boston when they were on UHF before the channel repack. After the repack they moved the signal to VHF channel 5. To pick that frequency up from 45 miles away you need a monster antenna on the roof!!!
     
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  7. Charles R

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    Pretty much all of the antennas (channels) I need to pick up are in the same location plus or minus a few degrees. I'm in a low area somewhat and over the years a tree line (next neighborhood over) has grown enough to impact my reception I'm guessing as it has slowly deteriorated over the years. Perhaps a couple of trees in our property as well.

    I'm undecided on what I'll do if I lose one of the major networks. I might be willing to "invest" in a better antenna (currently have an older Channel Master similar to the CM-3020). Over the past several years we have watched less and less OTA and I don't think I could talk myself into signing up for YouTube TV or some such. It's not really the cost rather much like the pay streaming services if I subscribe I feel I should be using them all the time since I'm paying for them... and I don't like feeling that pressure.

    Push comes to shove I can't see leaving them behind although at the same time I'd guess well less than 50% of my viewing time is not OTA related... replaced with (traditional) YouTube and Twitch. And going forward I see that increasing.
     
  8. wizwor

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    Not a fan or rotors. In this day of unattended recording and multiple concurrent watchers, there are too many opportunities for conflict. If you have to move your rotor a couple times a year with no repack, then your setup is not tight. It's not like the other guys are moving their antennas around, right?
     
  9. Adam C.

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    I don't understand the reasoning for offering a 2-tuner OTA DVR over a 4-tuner. Why not just offer a 4-tuner and not even manufacture the 2-tuner model? I have been using a Roamio OTA for the past 4 years and I routinely have 3 or 4 tuners recording. I would never settle for a 2-tuner model. I also use a Recast, but I find the Tivo picture quality to be superior to Recast, as well as the overall functionality. The only area where Recast is better is for online streaming of live TV and recordings.
     
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  10. eherberg

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    Because there is still some demand for it. For me, I would never need a 4 tuner in my area (especially when considering shifts in viewing to streaming). Your use-case is different - but many people (and I wager more and more each year) are just fine with 2 tuners. If the unexpected were to happen, I would add more SD tuners on the network in a setup where the number of tuners I want is limited only by my bank account.
     
  11. Adam C.

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    That wasn't really my point. From a manufacturing perspective, is it really more expensive to produce a 4-tuner model over a 2-tuner model? If you don't need all 4 tuners that's great, but wouldn't you rather have more options than less? Sure, I could switch to a streaming service to watch something that I was not able to record, but why should I have to do that? I would think you are going to lose more potential customers by only selling a 2-tuner model and not selling a 4-tuner model at all.
     
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  12. tapokata

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    For the network DVRs, such as Tablo and Recast, it is not just the tuners, but also the associated transcode hardware/software that will add to the mfr cost. Certainly not the case with the Edge OTA, but this may also be a function of the tuner design. The selectivity and signal lock were much higher on my old 2-tuner HD than my replacement 4-tuner Bolt. It is possible TiVo traded off more tuners for better tuner performance in the Edge OTA.
     
  13. eherberg

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    Likely true. Even with increased amplification, Tablo confirmed that the simple math of it is that a 2-tuner model is always going to perform better than a 4-tuner model. I'm sure with TiVo DVR's the same is true.
     
  14. Adam C.

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    Definitely possible. For me personally, I would rather have 4 tuners and deal with whatever degradation occurs than be limited to 2 tuners. A degraded picture on any channel is better than no picture at all :)
     
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    not to mention that 2-tuners = no minis
     
  16. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Well the list price seems to be quite a bit lower for the 2 tuner. 25% lower I think with lifetime.

    And as someone pointed out in this thread or another one, the new competition is mainly 2 tuner. REcast, TAblo, etc.

    I do agree 2 tuners is light. LIke with recording the NFL - you need to extend the recordings as games often run a bit long. And the NFL usually has 2 early games and 1 late game in the afternoon. AT 3pm CST, when the early games are almost over and the late game is going to begin, you are recording 3 channels. That alone blows away the 2 tuner limit. Now you can work around that manually or by extending the recordings a lesser amount of time. But now that I think about that, 2 tuners kind of sucks for NFL recording.


    ON the other hand, there is some math that says 2 2 tuner OTA EDge Tivos would be about the same cost as a 4 tuner OTA EDge and a Tivo Mini. Or at least wouldn't be much higher. And thus you could have a 2 tuner Edge at each of your 2 tvs giving you 4 tuners.

    I forget how easily Tivos share recordings. IF I remember right it isn't terrible nowadays, but not maybe ideal either. But I am not sure. (And if only Tivo had some software that transferred recording of a show to a 2nd Tivo if there was a conflict on the other.)
     
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  17. pfiagra

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    but that would also require 2 antennas or you’re back to splitting the signal off of one antenna
     
  18. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Yeah but what's your point? You are already splitting the signal again with a 4 tuner. That doesn't change with 2 2 tuner Tivos. Nothing lost, nothing gained in that dept. But, at least with 2 2 tuner Tivos, you have the option of using 2 antennas.

    And actually 2 antennas might be preferable. I mean there always seems to be that one channel, at least in the 3-4 states that I've lived in, that needs, or does better with, a different antenna location.

    The pt I was making is that you can create your own 4 tuner dvr with 2 2 tuner dvrs for what I'd consider a similar amt of $$$$ (as a 4 tuner Tvio and a MIni) in response to someone who asked, ' why are they making a 2 tuner dvr and is it that much less money to make?'
     
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  19. Adam C.

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    The Recast has a 2-tuner and a 4-tuner model. I have the 4-tuner model. The picture quality is not as good as my 4-tuner Roamio OTA, but it is still very good overall, especially considering it is priced significantly less than what I paid for the Roamio.
     

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