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Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by briankasper, Jul 24, 2007.
Besides, their S3 is already using the HDMI input on their TV.
Maybe TiVo will make TTG and MRV free on S3s but for-purchase options on the HD TiVo.
Then, 6 months later, they'll make it free for everyone and the first-run TiVo HD owners can be just as pissed as the S3 owners.
I paid roughly the same amount for my S3 that I paid for my single-tuner, 20-hour, SD-only ReplayTV in 1998.
And I don't regret either purchase.
Consumer electronics evolve and get better and cheaper.
If you wait for the best and the cheapest you're going to be waiting for eternity.
Please don't joke about that. I'm still a little annoyed with TiVo after how they handled HMO. Do it right from the beginning this time, please.
I don't know, but I want to guess that the TivoHD was the "goal" all along and perhaps Tivo ran into delays in procuring/designing custom boards/ICs that would allow them to sell HDs at the price point they wanted.
Fearing that they would get hammered even further by customers/critics/investors, they decided to produce the S3 with more expensive components that didn't have all the "final" TivoHD engineering or integration just to get an HD box into the market.
The upshot of this would be the TivoHD being just a further engineered/refined/simplified S3. Since the S3 has some bells and whistles and there's some demand for them (both for new sales and for repair/replacement), they'll be available for a while, but I would guess that the S3 will disappear from the market in the next 18 months.
It remains to be seen whether the S3 will be replaced with an S4 with some real differentiation from the HD; perhaps this is how they will always do transitional models from now on (eg, production model based on a dev platform at a price premium and then a mass-market version based on highly refined chipset/boards at a lower cost).
This is what you get when you buy electronics. A year after you buy it, it will be less expensive for someone else. Being an early adopter of a product usually means you get to pay more than people who adopt new things later than you.
I'm very happy about my S3 and not pissed about what I paid for it.
Yeah, basically. I wasn't expecting it to come down that fast, but I knew it was coming down fast. And even if I didn't know how much I'd save if I waited, I certainly knew how much I was paying at the time.
And saving myself almost another entire year of the SA-8300HD was probably worth it!
But they often get cheaper before they get better. My 3 year-old LCD TV was quite expensive, and the succeeding models for the next 18 months kept cutting out things (plastic case versus brushed metal, non-detachable speakers, etc) to stay in the market as the price points kept dropping. The displays themselves are better now, 3 years later, but I'm still happy with my Aquos.
The early adopter premium I paid was well worth it. I couldn't stand another day with the piece of crap Moto that Verizon provided.
I have thoroughly enjoyed my (2) S3's since purchase and would do the exact same thing if I had it to do over again.
I am also pleased - not bitter - that TiVo was able to repackage a similar (but not exactly the same) product and offer it at half the price of the S3.
Three more comments -
1 - I expect that they will drop the price of the S3 to closer to $500 when the new box is released.
2 - I hope the new box brings new life and lots of revenue to TiVo.
3 - Whatever anyone here feels about TiVo "milking it's early adopters", TiVo is NOT making a lot of money and NEVER has. They are simply trying to survive.
I think they are going to still get crushed by angry phone calls
I'm on week three of dealing with Comcast. The cable co's hate cable card, they don't want to support it, they are absolutely not training their people on it, and taking every opportunity to take pot-shots at cable card.
Most normal people will not put up with this kind of treatment, and will just return the Tivo and get something else Heck, we have seen people who are in this forum do so...
Really? You paid $800 in the beggining to get that capability (that is what you paid for the S3) but now it is too much? And how much more on top of the S3 costs was spent on CableCards/Subscriptions/Antennas etc to enable the S3? And suddenly $500 is too much to pay for 10 months of HDTV access?
The remote is available standalone, and soon the official expanding storage drives will be also. Once you have the price points for those items you can narrow down the difference to just how much you paid for the OLED screen and THX. Then you can start a new rant:
"I spent $250 for THX and OLED front panel!?!"
The only thing morse than an ex-smoker talking about banning smoking is an early adopter with buyers remorse.
early adopterhere, you just have to get over it.
I jumped for the lifetime so it will be a bit disappointing if they offer it again especially on the cheaper untis. I am not looking back though love the S3
I know a 'normal person' that I convinced to get a Series3 with the rebate, Comcast had no problems with cablecards, worked the first try. The guy came and said that he had never done it, my friend handed him the instructions, he followed them, it worked.
Back in 2000 I paid well over $1000.00 for a S1 Sony SVR2000 TiVo and lifetime service. My SVR2000 is still working and I can't give it away.
Then I heard that TiVo was giving away DVR's. I transferred my lifetime to a refurb S2 that was free and I started to enjoy MRV. This made me buy more TiVo's.
I didn't pay an extra $150.00 for HMO but some people here did - it's now free.
Do you see a trend?
Well, if you include the lifetime transfer, I actually paid $1100 in the beginning to get that capability -- but I fully expect to amortize that cost over at least 6-7 years (which is how long I used my S1), so I think your comparison isn't exact.
Don't get me wrong, this isn't the first early-adopter tax I've paid, and it won't be the last. I'm just grumbling because the tax turned out to be so large, so quickly. I burned through quite a few Wife Acceptance Points to get my S3 when I did; if I'd had any inkling that I could have saved $500 by waiting 10 months, well, yeah, I might have waited.