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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by HenryThe8th, Feb 11, 2018.
Is this Cable TV or Antenna ?
Lifetime or all-in has always been a risk but has paid off so far.
The risks are:
1). TiVo goes under and the guide data goes away leaving you with an overpriced tuner
2). The unit dies after the warranty expires and before the break even point is crossed
Of these 1 is the bigger risk as electronics typically fail within the first 500 hours of use.
I buy a Tivo and and the prepaid annual service. I did take a $99 lifetime offer from Tivo after two years of prepaid. My Tivo is on a UPS and a coax surge suppressor; I've already upgraded to a new, larger hard drive.
Another vote for lifetime/all-in here. We've purchased it for all of our TiVo's since 2000 (2 S1's in 2000/2002 for $199 and $249, 2 S3's in 2007 which were $199 transfers from the 2 S1's, 1 used HD (included), 1 Roamio Pro in 2015 which was a special for longtime TiVo users so discounted to $99 and 1 Bolt in 2017 which was a $99 transfer from the HD).
People had the same questions back in 2000 about TiVo staying in business and purchasing lifetime (of course it was only $199 then) and that was just comparing the lifetime cost to paying monthly service. Today, you have the savings over going with the cable company option which for us would be $22.45 a month (Comcast)
Notice that no one has reported paying full price for all-in recently... $549 makes the equation a lot harder to swallow IMO. Especially given the uncertain future of Tivos on major cableCos like Comcast.
With continual care, you have to pay $49 for Tivo to ship you a replacement DVR and then send your defective DVR back to them. You can easily find a replacement Roamio or Bolt on ebay for about the same price and you don't have the hassle of returning your defective DVR. Continual care seems like a gimmick to me.
You can't find a replacement LIFETIME Roamio/Bolt for $49. That's where the get ya.
It's just a way to sway a customer to buying a mo or annual service. Nothing wrong with that. And for a lot of customers, it's easier than what you suggest (though your suggestion is a good one for many of us)
Yes, but why pay TiVo $49 and return the Bolt for a used Bolt when you can pay the same for another Bolt on eBay and then keep the old Bolt for parts.
Because you keep lifetime on the refurb replacement, presumably. Otherwise, you have to pay $550 to get lifetime on the ebay unit. If I could do what you're saying, that would be fantastic, but it doesn't work that way.
Not discussing Lifetime. No continual care on Lifetime.
If the Bolt dies after 1 year with Lifetime…. you lose.
That's the "gamble" discussed.
(and how TiVo tries to get customers hooked on an annual or mo plan)
All-In Tivos aren't covered by Continual care.
"With respect solely to any TiVo BOLT or TiVo DVR which is eligible for, and on which you have obtained, either an annual service plan or a monthly service plan (but not an All-In Plan): your service plan includes, at no additional charge, an enhanced limited warranty (known as "Continual Care")"
The way I look at it is that by the time a year goes by, the money spent on an All In subscription is forgotten money. The fact that I spent a lot of money x months ago is irrelevant to my life today. I don't miss the money. I don't need the money. I don't think I could use it now to buy xyz instead. All that matters is that I have a Tivo that doesn't cost me anything to use.
If you are looking for a bolt, I picked up a "renewed" bolt with All-In from TiVo last year, and it has been sitting in a box, untouched. If you are interested in picking it up from me, I'd be happy to let it go for a fair price. (I make a litle, you save a little). I've been here on the TCF for quite a while, and have a good history on eBay buying / selliing (but not much over the past 6 months). You can see my ratings as "TivoFanTodd" on eBay, if you are interested. I also have a used RoamioPro (lifetime) I'm getting ready to list, and 2 Series 4 Premieres (lifetime). Let me know via a PM if you are interested.
Based on the total I paid for All-In Service, NIB Bolt, 3 year extended on the Bolt AND a NIB TiVO Min v2, my break-even is 2 years, 5-1/2 months based on what my Cable Company charges for a slower than all get-out, company owned TiVO with ancient software and limited Apps, and a v1 Mini.
I get the same service, better hardware, better apps, pay less to the cable company, am able to go OTA anytime I get ready, and I don't have to pay a monthly TiVO bill.
Add to that the ability to expand my storage capacity and all the fun I am having tweaking, et al.
A no-brainer for me....
Or the conversion to ATSC 3.0 happens faster than expected. (I’m not too worried about it because I think the transition will take many years until ATSC 1.0 would actually go away)
True, and admittedly at this point at this point I would probably buy a used Roamio Plus/Pro with Lifetime/All-in if I needed one and there were no deals at the time. But if used were not an option, I'd still go with Lifetime/All-in rather than paying monthly.
Some us what nothing to do with Ebay ever. I'd take the continual care.
OK. I respect your opinion.