What do you think Premiere Elite should have?

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  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They might be able to do it via USB or network interface like HDHomeRun. Although I doubt there is enough demand for the R&D needed to develop something like that.

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  2. MeInDallas

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    I was thinking this same exact thing! Hopefully someone will be working on something like this, maybe even if TiVo gets enough calls from people wanting to purchase one they might do it. Remember how all the digital boxes popped up when we were making the digital switch, now is time for the same concept. I dont want to invest this kind of money in something and then it be tied forever to a cable company. :rolleyes:
     
  3. jfh3

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    Tivo to Tivo streaming doesn't work, at least for more than a few. Yet.
     
  4. Dan203

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    It works if you have two Elites.

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  5. jfh3

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    Not for me. According to @tivodesign, the MRS function is not supported now.
    It is left as an exercise to the user as to why it works for the two that have rooted it.

    Do you have 2 elites? Do you have MRS working?
     
  6. Chris Gerhard

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    Funny complaints, the Elite is too expensive and doesn't include OTA tuners. Of course a huge majority of the market for the product will use the product with cable exclusively and adding OTA tuners will unnecessarily add cost to the product for the majority of its market. If there really is any market for an Elite with 4 OTA tuners at the price necessary to offer the product, contact TiVo and let them know. I think TiVo got this correct, there is no market willing to pay the price necessary for a DVR like the Elite for OTA. The market for a 4 cable tuner DVR with 2TB at $500 plus subscription isn't big but the market willing to pay whatever would be necessary to also have 4 OTA tuners is so tiny that it can't be bothered with. For my needs as an OTA user after cutting the cord, a 2-tuner DVR at a low cost is exactly what I want. TiVo has the best product on the market and compared with what competition there is, it is a great value and the only product that suits my needs.
     
  7. uw69

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    The whole dvr segment is small, why exclude anyone? Two/four OTA tuners couldn't be very expensive. TiVo has had them on most models that I can recall.
     
  8. Len McRiddles

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    No OTA was the deal breaker.
     
  9. Chris Gerhard

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    Go ahead and provide some evidence it couldn't be very expensive to add 4 OTA tuners. My opinion based on the fact the Elite doesn't include 4 OTA tuners and the fact no other DVR includes 4 OTA tuners and it is expensive to built an HTPC with 4 OTA tuners capable of handling everything necessary is that it would be expensive but if you evidence that is false, let's see it. I don't think the current box has adequate processing power and it would be prohibitively expensive when you consider the market is whining about the $500 price for the DVR with 4 cable tuners only.

    Complaints like it is too expensive but it should do more which would cost more or TiVo should just eat the cost so the product can be inexpensive and suit everbody is what I see here commonly. If a box with all internet functionality and 4 cable and 4 OTA tuners was easy to do at a price the market would bear, it would be for sale from someboody, it doesn't exist and there is no market willing to pay the necessary price is the real world explanation but nobody wants common sense to get in the way of a good whining rant.
     
  10. jfh3

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    Really? Just exactly what chips/components would you have added to the Elite?

    Why is it that so many people seem to think that adding the OTA support to the Elite would have been so trivial and/or inexpensive?

    The wholesale cost is around $350, so I would guess Tivo cost is around $300 (I'm assuming there is no hardware subsidy on an Elite like there is on the other boxes). Can't add too much more to the box without significantly increasing the retail cost to a point the market won't bare.
     
  11. MeInDallas

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    Exactly! I was excited about the thing until I saw in big red letters "Please note: This product requires digital cable" and that was the end of that.

    I spoke to a TiVo salesman yesterday (about the $99 deal from Solid Signal) and he told me that most cities dont have enough over the air channels to benefit having 4 tuners, and I told him back that we definately do in Dallas. Most cities have ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX and PBS so thats 5 main ones plus all your local channels so I dont know where he got that at. He still tried to sell me one and said they could ship it out the same day and I told him it would be worthless to me. Get in touch with me when they get OTA tuners in it.
     
  12. TexasGrillChef

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    Sadly as much as everyone would love a 1 box solution. That isn't going to happen for a very long time.

    I haven't installed or started to use my Elite unit yet. But I got it simply becauase it has bulit in MoCa, 4 tuners and the 2tb hard drive, as well as being a premiere unit.

    As far as games go. I use an XBox 360. The big game boxes aren't abotu to let anyone else "run" or play their games. So if you want gameing, your pretty much stuck buying a game box from one of the big 3. (Xbox, Wii, or PS3). If you don't care about gaming. Then You won't need a game box.

    I also have a networked Blu-ray player. It does basicaly everything a Roku, or Xbox, or PS3 does as far as playing media content from my NAS (Networked Attached Storage) or off the internet. (netflix, Vudu, Amazon, Blockbuster, Pandora, Rhapsoday) etc...

    The TiVo Premiers pretty much do the almost as much different media content. What the TiVo lacks in one area, my Blu-ray/internet box make up for it, The XBox basically overlaps both the Bluray/internet box as well as the TiVo.

    My new bedroom Samsung TV has built in Internet/network connection as well. While I don't have a blu-ray player for my bedroom, with the TiVo Premiere and a the Samsung Internet connected TV. I don't really need it.
     
  13. rainwater

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    TiVo knows exactly how many conflicts OTA users have. They have had this data for years. If there was a market for a 4 tuner OTA market they would create one. But sadly, there isn't. And the Elite box was designed for cable MSOs and high end users. Again, these are not OTA users. So it made since to not add hundreds of dollars to a box that few would use.
     
  14. buscuitboy

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    No OTA option is a killer for me. Of course they are gonna tell people this and try to downplay the whole thing as described above, but I personally think the reason this new TiVo Elite has no OTA tuners is cause TiVo is in bed with the cable companies. Pure & simple. Cable companies realize there is a growing market/threat out there where people are going with numerous cheaper alternatives like NETFLIX, Hulu and OTA service instead of going with Cable companies. No need for them. Granted, its a small threat right now, but its slowly growing and I think it could pick up a LOT of steam here soon.

    They downplay it all the time & will NEVER admit it, but I think its a quiet threat they see on the horizon & are closely keeping an eye on. Therefore, cable companies have politely told TiVo to dump the OTA option or we will make our cable system wind up not working with your DVR (via the cable cards). Essentially, this move is an EASY way to get rid of one of the competitors in a sneaky back door kind of way. Almost a form a extortion if you ask me. I know what your are saying....why don't they then just do the same with NETFLIX and HULU too. Cause THAT would be a killer and too much. This is a SMALL victory they can claim for now.

    Again, they would NEVER admit this publicly as it would most likely get another visit from the FCC, but I definitely think its a game that is going on.
     
  15. SullyND

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    Does the shinny side go in or out on a tinfoil hat?
     
  16. rainwater

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    So you think they should of included OTA tuners, charged $800 for the Elite, then sold it to cable MSOs who will have no need for the tuners? I fail to see how that would be a very attractable device.
     
  17. MeInDallas

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    I gotta agree with you on that. I cant wait until some stats come out on how well (or not so well) this new Elite is selling. Of course the people that use it and have cable are gonna be pro for it, and the the OTA people are going to hate it. I'm still on Series 3 and as many deals as I keep finding on buying the Premiere, I just cant see spending the money on taking the plunge for pretty much what I already have now. :rolleyes:
     
  18. steve614

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    Any data they have from the analog era is outdated. Back then stations just had the one channel and conflicts were rare.
    Now that OTA has gone digital, this allowed stations to add sub-channels. Most stations now have at least one sub channel. Here in Dallas, I think I counted >60 channels in the full line-up. This increases the chances for conflicts.
    I think there will be. There's recently been an upswing in posts here from people "cutting the cord" and this forum only represents a fraction of the population. Think of how many "cord cutters" are out there that don't bother posting on internet forums.
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    I wonder what the cost difference is between an OTA tuner module and a cable tuner module.
    If TiVo could make an OTA only Elite by just switching tuners (e.g. no other hardware modifications), and keep the same price point, it would sell.
    TiVo just won't do it because they're brown nosing the cable companies.
     
  19. steve614

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    Shiny side out. More chance the ray beams are reflected away. :p
     
  20. rainwater

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    I don't think many cord cutters are willing to pay $800 for a box plus pay for service. TiVo already has a OTA box that is dual tuner. My guess is it will be 2-3 years before TiVo could develop an affordable 4 tuner OTA + cable box that would be cost effective. Doing this now would cost TiVo millions of dollars in lost revenue since the Elite was designed mainly for cable MSOs (so they would be losing a lot of money per box for tuners that will never be used).
     

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