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Westworld "The Riddle of the Sphinx" S2E4 5/13/2018

Discussion in 'Now Playing - TV Show Talk' started by astrohip, May 13, 2018.

  1. pgogborn

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    Entertainment Weekly asked Westworld co-creator and episode director Lisa Joy about the incineration.

    Entertainment Weekly But I was wondering if you came up with a technical explanation for why they had to refurbish that room with the same stuff 150 times?

    Lisa Joy Part of it is it’s just visually cool. You’re starting with him lighting a cigarette and the Rolling Stones song “Play With Fire.” He talks about devils and angels. I wanted to ask: Can you have sympathy for the devil? You see two elemental forces in this episode. You also see rain in Westworld for the first time with the battle with the Man in Black, a baptism in that fight scene. And then you see fire. Both can represent the cleansing away of the past, and the question is whether the past can really ever be washed away, or does it always repeat one way or another >
    'Westworld' showrunner reveals what you missed while watching 'Riddle of the Sphinx'

    Incinerating people and using people as railway sleepers / railroad ties is visually very brutal - I was therefore surprised that blood splatter when people were shot seemed to be less than in previous episodes. Blowing up Craddock was also brutal but with little/no blood splatter. I was left uncertain what to think why I didn't see any blood after Man-in-Black was nicked in the neck by a bullet.
     
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    Those sort of cartoons need just as much decoding as Westworld. The paper was THE PARTISAN, the sleepers need better media.

    Zoom in and the carriage [car] windows become DEPRESSION USURPATION BRIBERY EXTORTION
     
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    Westworld season 2 summary who's who... Season 1 was great, season 2 not so much.
     
  5. trainman

    trainman Nice to see you

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    Sherman...
    The cartoon wasn't based on actual events. It's metaphorical.

    As far as I know, this episode of "Westworld" is the first time people were literally being used as railroad ties. (Yes, I know, not literally literally, given that it's fictional.)
     
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    I'm impressed when a show does something I've never seen before. People as railroad ties is one. The gun barrel leaving an imprint on Walt's head in Breaking Bad was another that comes to mind.
     
  7. pgogborn

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    I was impressed that after being dragged to the tunnel entrance Bernard's clothes had a frayed hole.
     
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    I am a nerd.

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    Nerdist
    DID YOU CATCH WESTWORLD COMPOSER RAMIN DJAWADI’S CAMEO?
    POSTED BY AMY RATCLIFFE ON MAY 16, 2018

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    Westworld composer Ramin Djawadi doesn’t only create music and incredibly catchy and memorable covers for the HBO series, he shows up in a cameo role

    HBO confirmed to Nerdist that the guitar player is indeed Djawadi. He appears just after Craddock roughs up Lawrence; he sneers at Djawadi’s host and tells him to, “Keep ******* playing.” That’s the kind of guy Craddock is >
    Did You Catch WESTWORLD Composer Ramin Djawadi’s Cameo? | Nerdist
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    Speaking of the kind of guy he is - Craddock is Welsh for 'amiable'. As with Armistice when the show-runners are giving characters names sometimes the answer to the clue lays in looking in the opposite direction.
     
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  9. astrohip

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    Probably better known as the composer for Game of Thrones.
     
  10. BrettStah

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    I was impressed with the floor of that elevator... no footprints at all from Elsie or Bernard, after they went from that dusty cave into it!
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

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    Self-cleaning nanites! The future is WONDERFUL! :D
     
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    Hey! That could explain Elsie's perfect hair and makeup after being chained in a dusty cave for several days - sh has nanite implants!
     
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    That would be from the dust-repellent materials that the elevator is constructed from. It’s all the rage in the 2050s.

    Or, the PAs wiping the set down constantly so it keeps that like new sheen.
     
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    I recall the director saying it was important to get the scene with the person being put in the white liquid done in as few takes as possible, it took a long time to mop up between takes.
     
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    I’ll bet. I’m sure the actors want to be done with it ASAP too. :)

    I’d think they would do the master scene first, then the CU coverage next where they could lay plastic on the floor, and it wouldn’t be seen.

    Or, maybe they have to mop after each take, union rules and all.
     
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    Also, Westworld showrunner Jonathan Nolan used Djawadi on his previous series Person of Interest.
     
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    The article makes some very good points about a genre of programs in which people search for clues but I think it gives too much credit/disapprobation to Lost, that sort of thing was going on long before Lost.

    The main thing that caught my eye during the pan around the room was the book, in my quest for clues a freeze frame did not reveal the title and it has been bugging me ever since. I have now come across somebody who recognized the book by the artwork. It is The Sirens of Titan - Wikipedia by Kurt Vonnegut, to quote Wikipedia it:
    Involves issues of free will, omniscience, and the overall purpose of human history... it largely deals with questions of free will, with multiple characters being stripped of it and the revelation that humanity had been secretly manipulated for millennia for an inane purpose...

    I have little doubt the book inspired/influenced Westworld's co-creators far more than Lost, if clues for future happenings in Westworld can be obtained by reading the whole book is another matter.

    But I wonder if an omniscient narrator is continuing to determine events far more than individual improvisation. Whatever the case I am increasingly doubting that the person pulling the strings is Ford.
     
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    Sirens of Titan is a fairly small novel. That has got to be the really large print edition to be that thick :).
     
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  19. pgogborn

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    :)

    It is a Masterpieces of Science Fiction full leather gold leaf special edition, in 2018 new copies are listed on Amazon in the region of $200, that is before hotel/prison management add their markup, 149 copies were purchased before the project was terminated >
    Amazon.com: Buying Choices: The Sirens of Titan: The Masterpieces of Science Fiction series [Full Leather]

    When William/Man-in-Black asked James Delos "Do you know where you are?" Delos replied "Carlsbad, California in some office park I'm probably overpaying for".

    Delos was wrong about Carlsbad, right on the money about being overcharged.

    (the director said one of the reasons why Delos and his room were incinerated because it looked "cool", me say not cool to burn humans and other sentient beings, not cool to burn books)
     
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  20. RGM1138

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    That’s what I alluded to earlier, the fire was just for shock value. It didn’t really didn’t make sense in a real world way. Unless it’s in a future where replicators are cost effective.
    ;)
     

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