Westworld "The Passenger" S2E10 6/24/2018 (S2 Finale)

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  1. Jun 27, 2018 #81 of 159
    DevdogAZ

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    Except that she's not creating a version of Arnold this time. She's simply dropping Bernard's pearl into the newly-printed body. It shouldn't require much tweaking or training at all.
     
  2. Jun 27, 2018 #82 of 159
    RGM1138

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    But, think of how much code must be in a droid body to function as a genuine human.

    Even with quantum compliers, there must be some adjustments needed along the way.
     
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    wprager

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    Quantum compilers? Where we're going ... we don't need ... quantum compilers.
     
  4. Jun 27, 2018 #84 of 159
    DevdogAZ

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    From what I understand of the host bodies, they are pretty much indistinguishable from humans except there's that data port in the right forearm, and the brain is replaced by the Chestnut/Pearl combo. So I believe all the code is in the Pearl and the body is just printed and doesn't have any additional "smarts."
     
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    You did not see Dolores drop a pearl into a newly printed body.

    When the new Arnold/Bernard asked Dolores "How am I alive" she told him she created him the same way as she created the old Arnold/Bernard "I remembered you once before, so I remembered you again".
     
  6. Jun 27, 2018 #86 of 159
    RGM1138

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    Yes, I would acknowledge that the body is pretty off the rack 3D print, more or less. But, even with all the smarts in the pearl, it must take a huge program to make all the functions work.

    Not to mention, personality traits and if-then calculations to do all of the things we take for granted in a human.

    I imagine there would always need to be a little tweaking to get the desired effect and proper settings for something so massively complex as Bernard.
     
  7. Jun 27, 2018 #87 of 159
    RGM1138

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    I think that was just a fuzzy-logic way of getting around the step of actually explaining how that would work.

    Did she dump all his memory into the Forge or use the the Mesh network to push info into his pearl?

    They’ve been playing loose and easy with some of the technical explanations.
     
  8. Jun 27, 2018 #88 of 159
    DevdogAZ

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    We don't need them to explicitly show us the pearl being dropped into a newly-printed body. They've established the rules of Westworld that the host bodies are inert until a pearl is inserted. So when we see several pearls in her bag as she's leaving the park, and then we see a printer in the new house where she goes, and then we see a new version of Bernard, the audience is assumed to be smart enough to put those clues together without the show having to hold our hand.
     
  9. Jun 27, 2018 #89 of 159
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Except the show explicitly said that's not what happened...
     
  10. Jun 27, 2018 #90 of 159
    DevdogAZ

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    Huh? What are you talking about?
     
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    If she had recreated him, how would he remember that he died?
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    She talked about how she rebuilt him the same way she built him in the first place.
     
  13. Jun 27, 2018 #93 of 159
    DevdogAZ

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    I think that was figurative. When she originally created Bernard, it took thousands of attempts and many, many years. I don't think she went through that process again. I think she used the data in Bernard's pearl that contained the results of all that work she had previously done.
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    I don't think that makes sense. I think you're reaching beyond reason to get the result you want, rather than the result that was plainly stated.
     
  15. Jun 28, 2018 #95 of 159
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    I agree with him. It is the simplest answer. She shoots him in the forge and takes his pearl. That pearl gets inserted into the new body.

    Why rebuild him from scratch? I realize her answer to him implies she rebuilt from scratch, but I took it as a figurative implication and not a literal one.

    Of course whether she took his pearl and put it in a new body vs rebuilt him won't matter in the end, imo.
     
  16. Jun 28, 2018 #96 of 159
    Rob Helmerichs

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    Because the him that she shot was a him that she had to shoot. Why reboot somebody you're just going to have to shoot again? ;)
     
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    Because Dolores the character and the showrunners want to clearly establish that the resurrected Bernard is Arnold without the human murdering and torturing code of Ford.

    Although eventually the show runners may show that Dolores made a bad choice in selecting Arnold to be her conscience.

    This is how Westworld co-creator, co-showrunner and episode co-writer Lisa Joy describes what happened:
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    And in that moment you realise that Dolores has recreated Bernard - you know she did it before when she made Bernard out of Arnold, ... and in finally making her escape has understood that she still needs Bernard with her, that it will take the two of them for the hosts as a whole, as a species, to survive. So once again she's created him from memory and built him, >
    We asked Westworld's co-creator to break down that intense finale
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    Again... How would he know he died of he was built from scratch?

    Let's assume that he isn't one of the pearls. Who are they then?

    I think maeve, is one. Have no idea who the rest would be.
     
  19. Jun 28, 2018 #99 of 159
    BrettStah

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    Wouldn't Maeve's be in her head still? How would Delores get it?
     
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    They hauled all the dead host bodies back to the Mesa. Her acting as Charlotte could have gotten it
     

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