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Westworld "Kiksuya" S2E8 6/10/2018

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  1. Jun 11, 2018 #1 of 107
    astrohip

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    All around great episode. More puzzle pieces starting to fit, in what keeps becoming a larger puzzle.

    The actor playing Akecheta did a superb job.

    "Dolores the Deathbringer"
     
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    Unbeliever

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    So there's still some level of control on the awakened with Ford's "Analysis" session.

    And Boss lady is told Maeve has admin privileges, but they don't shut her down when they find out she's got active comms somewhere?

    --Carlos "Hey! Hey! I've got a new complaint" V.
     
  3. Jun 11, 2018 #3 of 107
    RGM1138

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    Interesting that they set up the tribe with a sort of autonomous storyline, separate from the main function of the park at first. I was finding the Ake/Kohana part compelling and wanted to follow it.

    I can’t imagine the code it would take to set up something like that.

    Only 2 eps left this season. Then, the long grind of waiting for S3.
     
  4. Jun 11, 2018 #4 of 107
    pgogborn

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    Catch 22 - Maeve is the only person in the entire park with admin privileges, shutting her down would require the shredding of her control unit, she could be the only person in the entire park that could get Boss lady what she most desires.

    I missed the player piano.

    Man-in-Black should have asked Ghost Nation for political asylum, his daughter is probably not going to abide by the Geneva Conventions.

    I liked the reason why Akecheta scooped up Maev's daughter was not was not some big plot reveal, it was to repay an act of kindness.

    Ford was unstable even before he was loaded into the Cradle.

    Timeline clues. Before the greeters at Westworld were dressed in black they were dressed in white, before the security vehicles were black they were white.

    There was a lot of speculation about the significance of the wolf walking through the carnage in previous episodes, this time it was a horse. Maybe there is no spiritual whatever significance, maybe they are merely observation drones sent into places too dangerous for humans to set foot.
     
  5. Jun 11, 2018 #5 of 107
    RGM1138

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    That was almost a callback to the movie. It was very reminiscent of a scene where Richard Benjamin is running from the gunfighter and stumbles across a park worker in a white Jeep.
     
  6. Jun 11, 2018 #6 of 107
    smak

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    I thought this was an unbelievable episode, and if I'm not mistaken, one timeline.

    I think that's a big part of why I liked it so much.

    Plus, I HAD to pay 100% attention because of all the subtitles.

    Maybe that's a lesson for me.

    -smak-
     
  7. Jun 11, 2018 #7 of 107
    smbaker

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    Another very well done episode. Unfortunately, I was kinda bored.

    It was nice to kinda see the whole story unfold in Akecheta's perspective, but it seemed to mostly confirm things we already knew or already suspected. If there was supposed to be some big reveal that the Ghost Nation isn't simply some set of scripted bad guys, and have some secret noble purpose, then that wasn't much of a reveal. More of a confirmation.

    Why isn't MIB dead yet, or at least bleeding all over everything in sight? Wasn't he shot a half-dozen times in a prior episode? His daughter sure seems to have inherited his gift for riding around like she owns the place. "Here I am, MIB's daughter, now do what I want"
     
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  8. Jun 11, 2018 #8 of 107
    pgogborn

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    I am also told she twirls her gun in the same way as MiB - but if so I missed that one. Not a nice person whatever MiB did to her mother (maybe not a nice person because of what MiB did to her mother).

    She described Delos as the "family business" I reckon James Delos her drandfather could have given her a few shares to avoid giving MiB her father all the power and her mission in the park is indirectly on behalf of James Delos.

    To me one of the ongoing mysteries is who gave the orders not to rescue the guests until the encryption key had been recovered by Charlotte Hale. And I would not trust Hale not to doing what Bernard and Ashley Stubbs were accused of doing - having a plan to find the encryption key in order to sell it to the highest bidder.
     
  9. Jun 11, 2018 #9 of 107
    kaszeta

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    Probably one of my favorite episodes. Advanced both the plot and the backstory using a previous niche character.
     
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  10. Jun 11, 2018 #10 of 107
    RGM1138

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    I liked the pastoral feel about this ep. I can’t recall Zahn McClarnon (Akecheta) from his other work, but he sure did shine in this episode.

    I’m concerned that they’re pushing it a bit with Maeve’s Jedi powers. How far can this Mesh network reach? Are there WiFi repeaters all over the park?
    ;)

    And I’m wondering what cliff we’ll be hanging over at the end of the season.
     
  11. Jun 11, 2018 #11 of 107
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    I know I'm in the minority, but after a great first season I'm finding this season boring. This self-indulgent episode (an hour of subtitles!) was at the top of the list. Did it advance the story and provide some insight? Sure. But the viewer isn't supposed to have to work hard to enjoy a show. There are times I don't want to give the screen 100% of my attention. I HATE subtitles.

    But as I said, I'm aware the majority of you feel otherwise.
     
  12. Jun 11, 2018 #12 of 107
    smbaker

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    Consistent with a mesh network, each host may be a repeater.
     
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    DevdogAZ

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    I didn't love this episode either. I listened to an interview with Zahn McClarnon and he said Jonah Nolan told him this episode would be like a Terence Malick film. Which explains the polarized reactions.
     
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    BrettStah

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    That's how Bernard found where Abernathy was - used the host mesh network.
     
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    RGM1138

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    True, but at the end of the ep, Ake and Maeve seemed miles apart but were still communicating. With no other hosts in between.
    I can accept the whole mesh concept. I just wish they’d stop making it look like magic.
     
  16. Jun 11, 2018 #16 of 107
    BrettStah

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    I don't think that was made clear at all - I'm assuming there are still a lot of hosts roaming around.
     
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    DevdogAZ

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    I thought the Delos mercs had been rounding everyone up, and there are only a few small pockets of hosts still left operating in the park. We know this is happening after Dolores took the train from Sweetwater. I don't remember exactly, but wasn't everyone in Sweetwater dead when they went there?
     
  18. Jun 11, 2018 #18 of 107
    BrettStah

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    Yeah, but I am assuming they haven't gotten them all yet, and that there are just enough left to let the mesh network function.
     
  19. Jun 11, 2018 #19 of 107
    RGM1138

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    Yeah, you’re right. I just looked at that scene again. There are other hosts nearby, including Maeve’s daughter.

    I missed that on first viewing.
     
  20. Jun 11, 2018 #20 of 107
    mooseAndSquirrel

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    I don't know about mesh networks, but it seems that Ford had a plan. So it's reasonable to assume that he may have tech hidden throughout the park.

    Now, I'll be damned if I have a clue what Ford's plan might be!

    And I'll say again that if MiB is human, my incredulity has been stretched past the breaking point. Shot I don't know how many times, crawling, dragged, then bouncing around on horses? Even Jack Bauer couldn't handle all that.
     
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