Westworld 4/19/20 "Decoherence"

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  1. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey


    Maybe, maybe not. But that's my point, if I need someone to explain it to me, how much am I going to enjoy something? I mean, you had to go into detail to explain it all. I'm not the only one who didn't get all that.
  2. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    So stop watching?

    I am one of the dumbest tv watchers, I am having no problem with this season. You seem to think that not knowing what will happen later is confusing
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  3. Ruth

    Ruth Well-Known Member

    Jul 31, 2001
    I don't understand the Naziworld scenes. I mean, I understand them, but . . . isn't the entire park completely shut down because of the massacre? And all or nearly all the staff evacuated? There aren't any guests, there aren't workers running the place, so how and why are the hosts running through Nazi loops? How are there even non-self-aware hosts operating in the park? Weren't they all turned off?

    I don't get it at all. At first, I thought those scenes must be flashbacks, but that's clearly not the case, so what am I missing?
  4. kaszeta

    kaszeta $nullstring TCF Club

    Jun 11, 2004
    Grantham, NH
    While there is a NaziWorld park, they aren’t in it. They are in a simulation of the NaziWorld park run by Rehoboam.
  5. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

    Nov 11, 2002


    Going into super-geek mode as in the previous season we should know that it is a simulation because the aspect ratio of the screen changed.
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  6. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

    Nov 11, 2002

    I do vaguely wonder why Rehobaum who in some ways is a Nazi is allowing Maeve to hone her Nazi fighting skills.
  7. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    Right. Nothing in those scenes is real at all, not even real robots. The entire world and everything in it is completely digital. Think The Matrix.
  8. mooseAndSquirrel

    mooseAndSquirrel Well-Known Member

    Aug 31, 2001
    Whatsamatta U
    Which makes it a bit confusing. We have robots in the real world, robots in the controlled parks, humans that can VR appear anywhere, robots in a simulation, humans in a simulation (Sizemore). But the simulations are so viscerally real that Maeve as initially unclear. And then Maeve can somehow peer out of the simulation (through what, a webcam?) into the physical world.

    I’m following it ok, but it’s disingenuous to question why people are confused.
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  9. JohnB1000

    JohnB1000 Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2004
    Sizemore is no longer a human, not at anyp this season.
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  10. BitbyBlit

    BitbyBlit .

    Aug 25, 2001
    It was in Episode 1. I believe it was the first boardroom scene. Charlotte (Dolores) was the one who did the muting.

    I'm assuming Ford figured out some way of having hosts give off human bioreadings, which allowed him to create hosts like Bernard and Ashley without people knowing. And shooting people to test if they are hosts would be akin to drowning people to see if they were witches. You don't want the people who pass the test to end up dead or seriously injured. While Serac is not above killing people to get what he wants, I doubt even he would go that far when there is a far cleaner way. Plus, wiping out the entire Delos staff would probably be hard for even him to cover up, and at the very least create a big disruption in his carefully curated world.
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  11. mooseAndSquirrel

    mooseAndSquirrel Well-Known Member

    Aug 31, 2001
    Whatsamatta U
    I wasn't suggesting shooting people, only how silly it is that there is no way to tell a robot from a human. Like even an x-ray!?

    But that's ok, I'm willing to concede some things in my SCI-FI or fantasy enjoyment, as long as the created world is logically consistent. So sure, Ford invented something.

    Where this could go is like some books I've read. If the human Sizemore can be fully simulated and we can print a body for you, then it seems a simple matter to be immortal and have your mind backed up (rich people to the last second) and ready to pop into a new body.
  12. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    That's the whole point of the hosts. But they have not (yet) been successful in transferring minds...as we saw in the scenes with James Delos, whose restored hosts remain unstable.
  13. tivotvaddict

    tivotvaddict CreativelyChallenged

    Aug 11, 2005
    In front of...
    I'm a highly visual person, but I'm so immersed in the the story I didn't even notice the aspect ratio change in the first few episodes this season. Once someone pointed it out I now pay attention to that.
  14. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Mar 23, 2003
    Chicago, IL
    I don't understand how Hector didn't die in the simulation until the exact moment his pearl was crushed in the real world. Once his pearl was removed from the machine, wouldn't he be disconnected from the simulation?
  15. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    He would go offline, like the simulated Dolores did. But then once his pearl was crushed, that's when he fell down, indicating he was dead.

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