Westworld 4/12/20 "Genre"

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  1. robojerk

    robojerk Well-Known Member

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    While proof reading this I think I sound all grumpy, unintentional, just tired after a LOOOOOOOONG hike and after a few beers...

    A lot of you guys seem to be flirting with the idea that Caleb was purposefully brought into the events at hand because he's someone important to past events. I find it hard to believe that he was predetermined by the players, or fate, to the story at all. He may step up, and play a pivotal role now that he's apart of this game, but not by destiny...

    I don't like the theory because he got involved, at least from what I saw, it was happenstance. He was having an emotional moment at the right time, I forget if it was a support group he went to or visiting his mom who appears to have alzheimers, that caused him to pull out his phone and look for "off the grid" jobs. I'll buy that Dolores had, at that point limited access to Rohoboam and was able to get his profile and extrapolate he could help her and manipulated him, then figured a flesh bag helper would be of use, and maybe reign in on her more violent tendencies so she went back to get him.

    I'll also buy that maybe his identity/memories were manipulated, to help him be of use to society/Rohoboam after his traumatic experience in the military, but there won't be some jaw dropping reveal about him that anyone else besides he would care about.
     
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  2. tomhorsley

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    Seeing as how Delores can get shot multiple times and shrug it off, she had to have been acting when she first met Caleb in the tunnel, so there must be something about Caleb she wants.
     
  3. Tony_T

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

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    In addition to being shot, she was also injected with the drugs that Caleb brought.
     
  4. pgogborn

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    In the same episode as Nathan Hale correctly said to Dolores Hale "You are not my mother" Caleb's supposed mother said "You are not my son".

    At the very least that is showrunner's misdirection not alzheimers. But I think it is more likely to be the truth, even though I have previously commented that it is difficult to separate the showrunner's misdirections from the showrunner's clues.

    In Westworld hosts were given a cornerstone, a specific memory tied with a single event which is used as a base to construct a host's personality.

    Caleb's memories, being abandoned by his mother / his friend Francis dying, which are driving his personality could be as fake as the cornerstones given to hosts.
     
  5. jdfs

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    Agree I am completely lost and don't want to figure out who is in which body. I was watching this episode and stopped half through to read this thread. I have no clue what is going on.

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  6. madscientist

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    As far as we know there are only 4 separate host entities in the world right now. There's Bernard and his "bodyguard" Ashley who are out wandering around trying to figure out what Dolores is doing. There's Maeve who is being controlled by Serac, who wants her to hunt down Dolores.

    Everyone else (all the hosts working with/for Dolores) is actually a copy of Dolores. There's the Dolores host we know. The Samurai who killed Maeve in the factory was also a copy of Dolores. The head of security at Insight who blew himself up was also Dolores. And Charlotte who is also Dolores.

    The thing is, the more the Dolores's live apart from the "original" Dolores and have their own experiences (like having a son), the more they begin to have their own ideas, goals, and agendas that may not quite line up with "original" Dolores.

    And, of course, there may be other hosts out there, but we don't know about them yet.
     
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  7. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    Personally I'm in the group that doesn't find this season too hard to follow... season two with the shifting timelines was much more difficult. There are many things we don't know yet, but I'm happy to wait for them to become clear.
     
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  8. JohnB1000

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    Wrong episode
     
  9. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    I'd suggest either spoilering these comments or just deleting them and reposting in the thread for the most recent episode.
     
  10. pgogborn

    pgogborn Well-Known Member

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    Deleted. Thank you for drawing to my attention that I had got the wrong episode.
     
  11. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    How was Delores able to print the Samurai host? Does she have access to the database of every Delos host? And even if she does, why would it even cross her mind to use that particular host as a vessel for one of her pearls? I just re-watched Season 2, and I don't think Delores ever shared a single scene with him.
     
  12. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    This is the first thing I thought of as soon as Delores showed Caleb his file.
     
  13. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    This was a really good episode. I loved how they portrayed the chase scene through the lens of Caleb's "Genre" trip. Very unique and cool.

    Out of all the episode's this season, this one felt the least like Westworld. It felt more like Minority Report, or The Island, or some other more typical sci-fi action film. I'm still very excited to see where the show is going, but it's definitely not as good as it once was.
     

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