WD HD Live

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  1. Nov 2, 2009 #1 of 30
    dbutts

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    I bought the WD HD Live and its an awesome little device for outputting various formats from home network, USB, media server via HDMI to TV.

    It works great for things I've downloaded (.mkv, avi, etc).

    I am using pyTivo and TivoToGo, (I also have Tivo Desktop Plus). I can bring the .tivo files over to my pc and I'm using Tivo Decoder Gui to convert to mpg but I'm not getting any audio.

    Does anyone know of any other .tivo (HD) conversion tools? Online there's lots of reference to Direct Show Dump, but I can't find a download.
     
  2. Nov 2, 2009 #2 of 30
    dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Here's a good review of the WD HD Live -- looks nice!

    I'm confused: Do you use pyTiVo with the HD Live somehow? (It looks more like a substitute for a PC,/pyTiVo/TiVo combination) :confused:

    Where do you get your video files to use with the HD Live (other than converted .TiVo files)?

    Sorry I can't help with your Tivo Decoder audio problem.
     
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    dlfl

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    It ought to do more -- the Amazon price is $274 while the HD Live is $120.

    Obioiusly the LG device plays blue-ray disks, which is "more".

    Does the LG device play files directly from a USB stick or USB drive, with the broad range of media types supported by the HD Live? If not, that would be a "less".

    What other "more"s are there?
     
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    jmemmott

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    I believe that the same issues that affect the original WDTV also affect the WD HD Live. See the following comment : http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7570460#post7570460
     
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    dbutts

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    I get my files online or from friends. I do not condone filesharing, but there are plenty out there in the torrent world if you look.

    No, not the same as pytivo. I use pytivo to pull shows that i record on my hd tivo to my pc then convert them to something that the WD HD Live can use.
     
  7. Nov 2, 2009 #7 of 30
    dbutts

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    all of this said:

    does anyone know of another .tivo converter? (HD only please)
     
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    All that said:

    If you follow the link I left above, it will take you to the KTTMG thread which is an alternate .tivo converter and tell you why simply switching to another .tivo converter will not be sufficient to fix your audio issues...
     
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    aaronwt

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    yes it does play directly from a USB drive. although I've only used it over my network.. I can't envision me actually hooking an external device to it when it's much easier to just get it over the Network.

    But the LG BD390 also has VUDU, Netflix streaming and youtube streaming.
    Certainly worth the $240 that amazon was selling it for last month.

    Especially since the BD player part is as fast or faster than a PS3 slim.
     
  10. dbutts

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    odd thing: files that i convert from my series 2 (low def tivo) work just fine.. its the ones from the hd tivo that have no audio.. .. and when i say "no audio" i mean on the wd hd live.. they have audio on my pc.. hrrm..

    thanks for the link. reading it now and i think i understand what's happening...still not sure why it works on my pc and not on the wd live.
     
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    Can this device easily access network attached storage without any software running on my PC? I have lots of video up on an NAS drive, but in order to get to it with my tivo, I have to have my PC turned on and tivo desktop or pytivo running. If this device could mount the NAS storage directly without an intervening PC, that would seal the deal for me.
     
  12. dlfl

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    Thanks, just learning here.

    It appears the WD device requires a USB adapter to do wireless networking, which adds around $65 if you need it.

    The WD device review says it also gets youtube.

    Yep, according to camelcamelcamel.com the peak low price for the LG unit was $237.98 on Oct. 25th. (New unit, directly from Amazon.)

    The WD unit still seems like a good value at $99 (several sources). A lot depends on how much you value playing BD's and the wireless connection.
     
  13. jmemmott

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    A series 2 cannot grab the digital broadcast stream directly. It needs a cable box to convert the digital broadcast and then records the program from the output of that process. Since it is actually doing a recording, it is able to add stream headers at the start and then keep the stream data consistent during the entire program. When the WD products see these headers, they know which codecs to use and everyone is happy.

    In the HD boxes, the incoming digital stream is simply saved to disk not converted or "recorded". Since the start time is arbitrary, it is unlikely that any stream headers appear at the beginning and the cable networks also often switch audio stream types as they go. AC3 2 channel in commercials to 5.1 DTS in a movie for example. This leaves the WD player guessing at the right codec. It doesn't seem to handle the mid program changes well so if it guesses wrong and the wrong codec is loaded, no sound and/or no video may come out for the duration of that program.

    The PC media player like the Tivo is more tolerent of this condition and adapts when it happens. The WD devices could be designed to handle it better, but ...
     
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    Actually I paid significantly less than that from Amazon. And, yes, it plays off a jump drive and advertises that it plays multiple media types. I say "advertises" since I haven't done that yet.
     
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    Yes, it can easily see NAS and pc devices. My final hurdle is being able to convert .tivo to some format that the WD can appreciate. So far, audio is my biggest issue.
     
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    Now all I need to do is convince the better half that I NEED a new receiver with more than 2 hdmi inputs. :)
     
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    wow.. thanks for the informative reply. I'm going to keep tinkering with kmttg and commercial editting and hope i can get something that's narrowed down to one codec.

    in the meantime, what would be a good way to convert the .tivo/mpeg to something that has a standard audio? again, my pc can play these files fine but the WD can't decode the audio. My thinking is that if my pc can understand it, it should be able to convert to some kind of usable audio.
     
  18. dlfl

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    Are you willing to pay $50 for a solution?

    I think there is one using VideoReDo and you would be able to test it on a free trial basis before buying it. I think it could also be automated, if desired.

    In brief, VRD allows you to specify MPEG audio on a file save and I think this will convert whatever audio is there to stereo (two channels) which I believe will be "usable". You would load the .TiVo file then save it with this option. Note this single load/save operation also does your TiVo-to-Mpeg2 conversion.

    Post if you are interested and I will provide more detailed instructions, if necessary. (I can't verify this will work myself because I don't have your particular file type to test.)
     
  19. dbutts

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    thanks i'll look into videoredo.. and let everyone know how it works..

    all in all, the WD HD Live is a neat little box but no replacement for a full scale HD tivo. I am trying to avoid the upfront costs of another tivo combined with the comcast monthly screwjob. Oh, and the fact that i hate comcast with a burning passion and would jump ship the moment my bldg offers something else (i live in a highrise)
     
  20. dlfl

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    OK, some tips on VRD:

    VRD Plus is $50. VRD TVSuite is $75. The primary difference is TVSuite includes authoring DVD's. Either should work for your issue.

    Be sure to perform the web registration (from VRD menus) for the free trial. Otherwise it will be crippled to 15 mins of video.

    Load your .TiVo file. Select File->Save As. If you haven't done any editing it may ask you if you want to remux the whole file. Say yes.

    In the file save dialog, select mpeg2 program stream as the output file type and click the options button. In the options dialog, audio section, select MPEG.

    Enter file name and save the file.
     

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