Way behind in my TV viewing

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  1. Dec 1, 2011 #41 of 129
    TIVO_GUY_HERE

    TIVO_GUY_HERE I miss the ocean

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    I got pretty much caught up over last weekend. Now with shows going into the "Fall Finale" mode, I should be able to keep up with what will record between now and mid Jan.
     
  2. Dec 1, 2011 #42 of 129
    TIVO_GUY_HERE

    TIVO_GUY_HERE I miss the ocean

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    Oh, and seen lots of Black Friday commericals..... Wish I've seen those last week grin
     
  3. Dec 1, 2011 #43 of 129
    Wil

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    The great thing about DVRs, used as intended, is the discipline they provide. Even when you add an external drive there's still a finite amount of space; so you're forced to make decisions. But once you link a Tivo with your home network it's an excess of riches. Will Lex come back in season 9 (and will we still be alive to see it)? Will Day Break's short season actually have a resolution? I'm still hoarding the two final episodes of Firefly for a special occasion.

    The nice thing is that after awhile, if you've not been interested in a series you can just jettison the dead weight then, years later. No pressure to make up your mind right away. Except for Smallville, which we seem to keep plugging away at despite very meagre returns, because it's THERE, I guess. We've watched only the first three episodes of Merlin over the years, it may be going to bit heaven. The US version of Life on Mars is deleting as we speak. So far this season we haven't got past the pilots of American Horror Story, Homeland and The Fades. But it's all there so we can decide later.
     
  4. Dec 1, 2011 #44 of 129
    mattack

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    Live on Mars was GOOD.. you should watch it..

    But unless you're backing up, you may see the bad side of the excess of riches -- hard drives going bad. My S3 died (the S3 itself died, and the drive seems to be DEAD -- spins, but isn't even seen by a computer -- I should look on eBay again to see if I can find the same drive to try a controller swap)... and my TivoHD expanded drive got into reboot permanently mode.. Both losing a LOT of recorded shows.
     
  5. Dec 2, 2011 #45 of 129
    Steveknj

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    I agree on both counts. Loved Life on Mars...you should undelete :)

    I had a bad eSata cable and everytime I had to bounce my HR2x, it would reformat and I'd lose everything. So you just never know when something will go bad. Knock on wood, the HD has been cranking away for more than 2 years now (the first things I have on my drive are the last 3 episodes of Lost).
     
  6. Dec 2, 2011 #46 of 129
    Wil

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    I certainly liked the original.

    After many years and many schemes for backing up video, I now do a brute force 1:1 backup via a toaster. Once a week I just sequentially pop backup drives into the toaster as prompted by a script while I'm doing other things. If I were to have a failure between backups and lose a few shows I've decided I will survive.
     
  7. Dec 9, 2011 #47 of 129
    jilter

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    With an expanded Tivo HD, how can I judge how much free space I have?
     
  8. Dec 9, 2011 #48 of 129
    laria

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    I think there's a percentage indicator somewhere nowadays, but I am not sure. I thought I remembered seeing one in the settings somewhere in recent years. I have been just judging it by how many suggestions I have built up ever since I got my TiVos in 2000, when there was no indicators at all. :)
     
  9. Dec 9, 2011 #49 of 129
    astrohip

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    There is no free space meter, as such. What I do is go by the Recently Deleted folder (# of shows in it). If it gets too low, I need to start watching or deleting. Keep an eye on it and you will get a feel for how much room you have.

    If you record suggestions, add that count to the Recently Deleted folder count.
     
  10. Dec 9, 2011 #50 of 129
    laria

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    How does that work? My TiVos delete things out of the Recently Deleted folder all the time. Usually within a day, but sometimes immediately after I delete it. Which bugged the crap out of me when I deleted something by accident a couple weeks ago, and then went to undelete it... a show that I had watched earlier in the day was still in there, but the one I just deleted was gone. The TiVo in question is not totally full, either... there are still 15-25 suggestions on it.
     
  11. Dec 9, 2011 #51 of 129
    Wil

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    I don't know the code, but I would write it to preserve all suggestions in preference to items in the recently deleted folder. Trash is trash. When it came to looking at that trash I'd swing a wide swath, give the OS some working room; I'd look to delete larger files first, maybe _somewhat_ weighted as to most recently deleted, maybe a nod to most recently recorded, but the priority would be to keep lots of free working space. If I can delete one show and gain X amount of space I might choose to have that happen rather than deleting two or more shows to get the same benefit.

    I know that was very wordy but my point is: trash is trash; making it accessible to the user is nice but not a priority to my code.
     
  12. Dec 9, 2011 #52 of 129
    DreadPirateRob

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    Really behind now - down to 10%. Makes me nervous just looking at it. :)
     
  13. Dec 9, 2011 #53 of 129
    astrohip

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    In general...

    When your TiVo needs to record something, it deletes a show from the RD folder to make room. Usually the oldest show by record date, but that's not an exact science. It will continue to delete RD shows to make room, as it continues to record new shows.

    As you watch shows and delete them, they get added to the RD folder.

    So... recording shows decreases the RD count, deleting shows from Now Playing increases the RD count. Too much recording and not enough watching leads to a low RD count. Lots of watching and not many shows to record leads to a high RD count.

    By keeping an eye on my RD count I can get a rough feel for (1) am I keeping up with my shows, and (2) how much room do I have left.

    I don't use suggestions, but if you do, they throw one slight kink into this. RD shows are deleted first, then suggestions. Add the two counts together for a total count of "how much room do I have".

    If your RD count drops to -zero-, that means you have no free room on your TiVo. At that point, it will start deleting shows from your NP list to make room for new recordings.

    Clear as mud?
     
  14. Dec 9, 2011 #54 of 129
    laria

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    I guess my post wasn't really very clear.

    I get what you were saying about how you use the RD folder... it's the same way that I use the Suggestions folder.

    But my question was more about the RD folder itself... my TiVo doesn't keep anything in there for very long. Even if the TiVo is not full. Usually everything is gone out of it within a day or so, but sometimes in the case of the show I was trying to retrieve, it gets deleted seconds later. I'm just wondering how other people's folders keep stuff around for seemingly much longer. :)

    I know that the TiVo will delete things from RD before Suggestions... my annoyance with it was that I thought it should prioritize something that I'd deleted a couple hours before for deletion over something that I'd deleted seconds before, since the latter is more likely to be an "oops" like it was in my case.
     
  15. Dec 9, 2011 #55 of 129
    astrohip

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    I think it deletes the oldest by record date show first. I tried this a couple years ago just to see what it would do. Doesn't do much good for an oops case.:mad:
     
  16. Dec 9, 2011 #56 of 129
    mattack

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    Sounds like your Tivo might be perpetually almost full AND/OR you don't have an expanded drive.

    Yes, I have pretty much completely filled up 1TB drives, but I've also seen them sometimes have tons of items in the RD folder.
     
  17. Dec 10, 2011 #57 of 129
    dianebrat

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    laria's experience is the same as mine, I've got fully expanded S3 and Premiere's with suggestions enabled, RD items are gone within a few hours, but I use Suggestions as my meter so it's NBD. I've never had an RD item there the next day.

    My hunch? it's always recording suggestions and they're ranked higher than RD's so the first Suggestion bumps the RD items.

    But like many others I do occasionally go through a "darn I haven't watched it" purges in series that have backed up, every now and then I'll also do a full suggestions purge.
     
  18. Dec 10, 2011 #58 of 129
    JLucPicard

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    I never have cared for the Suggestions feature, and when getting a new TiVo one of the first things I do is disable it. I record enough stuff on my own that I don't need someone else's suggested viewing items taking up space.

    Having said that, if I did have Suggestions turned on and my RD folder was very small to almost non-existant, I would be weeding out recorded Suggestions (that I was most likely not even going to watch) from my NP list on a much more regular basis.
     
  19. Dec 10, 2011 #59 of 129
    laria

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    I don't ever watch the Suggestions either... but they used to be the only way to get a sense of how much space there was. :) So I still just use them for that.

    I should probably change to using RD for that, since that would probably give a more accurate picture of how much space there really is... there's often SD recordings in the Suggestions making it look like maybe there's more space than there actually is, since I only record in HD. If I used RD for that, then the only things in there would be HD recordings.

    The "oops" deletion happened for me back when the World Series was on... a game went way over which caused Terra Nova and House to run over. I went to watch an episode of House, and discovered it paused at the beginning of the episode at like the 50 minute mark, and remembered that I'd discovered the overrun, and watched it online later, so I deleted it, and just as I deleted it, I remembered that I hadn't done so the week or two before when I originally discovered it because most of an episode of Terra Nova was on there. And undoubtedly it was the age of the episode that got it deleted faster than the show that I'd put in there earlier.

    Which gets me back to the original topic. ;) I should probably do a Terra Nova purge... I still haven't watched a single episode. I already did a purge on Pan Am, and am considering doing the same with A Gifted Man. I think that those three are the only new series that I still have that are totally unwatched.
     
  20. Dec 10, 2011 #60 of 129
    JLucPicard

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    Sounds like you're right on - If you really don't watch suggestions and only used them as a 'space remaining' guide, then it may be well worth it to turn them off, delete those that you won't watch, and then use the Deleted Recordings for your guide. Once all the deleted suggestions are purged from the DR folder (or you could permanently delete them - or at least the SD ones that would mess up your space guesstimate), then the DR folder would act as a pretty accurate guide.

    That way, you would not have Suggestions recording that could prematurely delete something you may want to go back and retrieve.
     

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