Watchmen 1x09 "See How They Fly" OAD 12/15/2019

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  1. john4200

    john4200 Well-Known Member

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    That changes everything! Those writers must have tried extra hard!
     
  2. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

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    My wife and I just finished our binge of this over the weekend. I read the comics a few years ago, and I must admit I couldn't see what the all the fuss was about. I thought it was ho-hum at best, and downright boring at times.

    But I loved this series. At first I loved that I didn't quite know what was going on. Later, I loved putting little bits and pieces together as they dribbled out. And finally, the ending --not just the final episode, but the last two or three taken together-- was fantastic. Easily one of the best shows I've seen in recent memory.
     
  3. heySkippy

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    You're the only one whining about how DM sees time. Personally, I think the writers did an outstanding job on this series.
     
  4. john4200

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    FYP.
     
  5. logic88

    logic88 Well-Known Member

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    What they should have done was to de-power DM like they did with Superman. Perhaps related to Veidt's memory loss device.
     
  6. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    But, early in the series, folks here mentioned that there's no need to read the comics. The story was supposed to stand on it's own.
     
  7. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    And it does (see, e.g., Dawghows a few posts above yours). But it is a sequel, and you can't just ignore the original story when plotting a sequel. I'd say they did an excellent job of coming up with a story that works both on its own, and in the context of the original.
     
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  8. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    Here's the thing. If you never read the comics, how would you know it's a sequel? You know it because you read the comics, but there's no way I would have known that, especially if I didn't come here and you guys mentioned it was a sequel. I'm not saying I agree with john4200 necessarily, but these things should be written with the viewer who's never read the comics in mind. You didn't have to read the books to know what was going on in Game of Thrones. This should be the same. So whatever happens should be self contained in the story.
     
  9. MikeMar

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    I'd make the case that you could fully enjoy/get this show on it's own. I mean everything you need to know is explained in the show!

    Of course there are extra things, but I'm confused on how people that watched the whole show and didn't read the comic still didn't follow the story.

    Can someone explain some of the major things (not just easter egg things) that you needed to know from the comics that isn't covered in the show?
     
  10. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

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    I'd say early on there was a lot I didn't get, but later in the show things tied together (as you said it would!). I didn't think I needed to read the comic and was told early in the series when there were things i didn't get that I didn't need to (by folks who had seen the whole season by then). But now, I'm reading that this was a sequel and that I should have read the comics? Like you, I'm not sure why.
     
  11. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

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    You can read the original, or not. It will be two different experiences, but I don't believe (judging from the experiences of people here who didn't read the comics) that not reading the comics makes the TV show a deficient experience.

    What we were saying early on in the show is that the confusion people were having wasn't because they hadn't read the comics (those of us who had read the comics had the same confusion), but because of the way they structured the story. But if you read the comics, then you would experience the show in a somewhat different way. And as I said, I think they did an excellent job of structuring the show so that it would work just as well either way.
     
  12. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

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    I can promise you my only memory of the comics was that Doctor Manhattan was on Mars. Otherwise, I couldn't even remember any of the characters' names. (And in fact, other than the details mentioned in this thread, I still don't know which characters from the show were and were not in the original comics.)

    My wife never even heard of the comics at all, and she was blown away by the show. Like me, she was very confused (and very curious) to start with, but with each episode she got pulled in more and more.
     
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  13. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    The argument several posts back about reading the comic was not saying that reading the comic was necessary. They were saying that the character and powers of Doctor Manhattan were established in the comic and that this was a sequel so in the world of the show, the events of the comic are canon. So if john4200 had a problem with how DM was portrayed in the series, he should go back and read the comics to see that this is how the character was created.
     
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  14. TAsunder

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    Why does that help? I've read it and I don't think it helps. In the comic it wasn't that important of a plot point, and the way they portrayed his experience of time added to his "inhuman-ness." Here they backed off that quite a bit and it was central to the plot. IMO if we give the show the benefit of the doubt then we have to assume he intended to die and pass his powers on to Angela.
     

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