Want a MPEG-4 DVR with TiVo from DirecTV?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by BlankMan, Aug 12, 2008.

Want an MPEG-4 HD DirectTV DVR with TiVo?

  1. I did it! I told DTV I want my HD MPEG-4 TiVo DVR!

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  2. Not me. I love DTV's HD DVR's just the way they are.

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  3. Not me, I could care less.

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  4. What's TiVo?

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  5. What's a DVR?

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  6. What's TiVo and what's a DVR?

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  7. Who's DTV?

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  1. Aug 12, 2008 #21 of 286
    BlankMan

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    bigpuma what speed are you referring too? my HR20 is a dog waiting for it do what the button I just pressed is supposed to do. I find the HR10-250, even the T60's to be more responsive. Especially since TiVo addressed the slowness in the 3.5x software release. They are quick now, sorting happenings pretty much immediately and both T60's are always full at their 240 hour limit. I'm wondering if I have a lame HR20??
     
  2. Aug 13, 2008 #22 of 286
    bigpuma

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    The biggest difference is with the season pass manager vs. prioritizer. I used to dread making changes on the TiVo because it would take up to 5 minutes to complete. I use the prioritizer on the HR2* all the time now, which makes the 50 series link limit easier to deal with. That is the other advantage of TiVo. Other than that setting up series links seems faster on the HR20. I have had problems at times with the HR20 responding to button pushes but that is pretty rare. I haven't really used the HR10 much in a year and a half so it is definitely possible they have improved the speed.

    ETA: Just to clarify I think overall the TiVo is probably better, especially since I am comparing it to an older version, however I am not sure it is enough better to make me care enough about switching back. The HR2* does what I want it to do and it has been reliable for me.
     
  3. Aug 13, 2008 #23 of 286
    shibby191

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    Not really sure what you're talking about here. I have never had a problem with the keypresses. Sounds to me like you have an issue like some IR interferrence or something. Suggest maybe replacing the remote or try RF mode and see if that helps. Stop by DBSTalk for specific help.

    Understood. Space problem could be solved with using an eSata drive, say 1 TB or so. But yes, that's just a bandaid. However, in the last couple CE's there have been enhancements and it's pretty darn close to dual buffers now. You can retain pause points on both a recorded program and the buffer so you could now easily record your main football game and then use the buffer to surf around. This is exactly how I'd use DLB on the Tivo, I'd have one buffer on my team and have the other buffer to surf around. You can now do the same thing on the HR20/21, just record that one game. Not true DLB but little enhancements are getting it pretty close. But then again I learned quickly even on the Tivo to record the one game of my team anyway since all it takes is a channel change mistake and you just flushed the whole buffer. ;)

    Well unfortunately there is a reason why it's called the "Tivo" guide and not found on any other DVR. There is something close though on the HR2x. Left arrow to highlight the channel number and hit Info. This will load up the entire 2 weeks guide data for that channel. One touch record your way to your hearts content. Left arrow back to the guide, rinse/repeat. Not the same but it's what there is.

    I know that neither explanation "solves" the problem or differences and someone like RS4 will come in this thread and rant and rave about something but honestly that doesn't help anyone. I'd suggest DBSTalk for more discussion on how to get the most of your DVR. For me content and price are why I stick with DirecTV. What the DVR UI is I could care less. Thus it was an easy transition for me as I had an open mind. Maybe it helped that I just don't watch much live TV thus DLB really doesn't matter to me and what the guide looks like just doesn't matter either. But that's just me. As I've told people over and over if *Tivo* is your number 1 thing then start looking around for other options. Perhaps you are lucky and have a great cable option or FIOS. You never know. Be happy, doesn't make sense to get upset over a TV provider. Now if for me the HR2x were junk and didn't work I would have gone to Charter, as bad as they are, long ago. I don't pay for a service that doesn't work.
     
  4. Aug 13, 2008 #24 of 286
    shibby191

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    You definately have some sort of issue as I mentioned above. See if you have some IR interferrence, try RF instead or try a new remote.
     
  5. Aug 13, 2008 #25 of 286
    TonyTheTiger

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    So your response is to launch personal attacks on people who don't agree with you? ...and you call ME a troll.

    Nice.


    :rolleyes:
     
  6. Aug 13, 2008 #26 of 286
    RS4

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    It's interesting that you talk about me being a Tivo fan boy on a Tivo forum. I'm the one person on here who actually points to real numbers showing Direct in a poor second or third place in popularity. Everyone else like you just come on here and say how happy you are to settle for second best.

    You've only been posting since December, and your only goal seems to have been to continue to make excuses for a box that large numbers of folks consider mediocre. I wonder why you're here... no I don't, it's pretty clear in my mind already:(

    You talk about D* listening - one question - how's that DLB feature working? What's it been 3 years since folks have been clamoring for this? D* clearly listens to what D* wants to. Long before the other boxes were even talked about, people here were sending emails and signing petitions asking them to turn on features that were available in the standalone Tivo boxes. However, they chose to ignore that until they announced their own box, and then surprise, surprise - many of the features we were asking for were suddenly going to be available in the new box. So here it is 3 or 4 years later and they're still trying to get some of that stuff going.

    My suggestion is to be careful about using words such as 'never' and 'always'. Now that D* is no longer the growth leader, they may find that they really miss us Tivo users who left. Or who knows, the FCC may force them to open up the connections the way they did cable.
     
  7. Aug 13, 2008 #27 of 286
    RS4

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    BlankMan, I admire that you have taken the time to let D* know about your feelings for Tivo, and that you have encouraged others to do likewise. I too had sent them 3 emails and called them 3 times over the past few years expressing my desire to stay with Tivo. Then I followed through with my wallet a few months ago and left D* switching to Comcast.

    I think communication from customers is important, even if it doesn't turn out the way we would like, and might even encourage D* and Tivo to see if they can't come up with a product that would benefit both companies.

    It's a shame that folks feel the need to criticize your efforts. One would think that someone suggesting more video opportunities for Tivo users on a Tivo forum would get some applause. Instead, we find that the D* army of fanboys has come over here explaining why your idea is so awful and why they are willing to settle for second best.
     
  8. Aug 13, 2008 #28 of 286
    mr.unnatural

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    Well, let's analyze the situation here and see how it plays out. DirecTV once had an agreement with Tivo to develop software and DVRs for use on their system. Everything was hunky dory for a while and then DirecTV decided they wanted to take control of the DVR service and pay Tivo a royalty for using their software. I believe that DirecTV paid Tivo something like $1 for each DVR fee they collected. Then, DirecTV got the brilliant idea that if they made their own DVR they could collect the entire DVR fee instead of paying Tivo any royalties so that's when they dumped Tivo and offered their own DVR.

    A lot of fussing ensued so DirecTV relented and renewed their agreement with Tivo to continue supporting existing Tivos. DirecTV stopped offering Tivos to subscribers but would activate used hardware with certain stipulations (i.e. only owned units vs. leased).

    At this point, DirecTV has invested something on the order of millions of dollars developing and manufacturing their brand of DVRs. They are continuing to offer new models and are constantly updating the software to fix bugs and add new features that their customers have requested.

    Now here are the real facts. The number of DirecTV subscribers that are griping about the loss of Tivo-based DVRs is in the vast minority. Many DVR users have embraced the newer HD-DVRs and have forsaken the HR10-250 HDTivos. The demand for Tivo-based DirecTV DVRs is far less than you might think and is definitely much less than when they first introduced the HR20 HD-DVR. Many people actually prefer the HR20 and the newer models. The bottom line is that DirecTV is not going to simply abandon a product line they've spent millions of dollars developing and improving just to make a few subscribers happy. They definitely won't be willing to go back to a system that will reduce their profit margin because they are in business to make money, plain and simple.

    All the phone calls and e-mails to the CEO of DirecTV isn't going to change their minds on this issue unless you get literally millions of subscribers to support it. Keep in mind that DVR users make up only a small portion of DirecTV's subscriber base and you'll finally come to grips with the reality that going back to a Tivo DVR with DirecTV ain't gonna happen so live with it. Your only option is to suck it up and deal with the situation or switch to a provider that will allow you to use a Tivo. I switched to FIOS over 18 months ago and never looked back. The only way you'll ever convince DirecTV that leaving Tivo was a bad choice is to start hitting them where it hurts - in the pocketbook.
     
  9. Aug 13, 2008 #29 of 286
    direfan

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    Dude give it a rest. The only reason you are participating on this thread is to act as a troll. It is a tired act!
     
  10. Aug 13, 2008 #30 of 286
    TonyTheTiger

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    So you want to join in the personal attacks, eh? If you want to talk about tired acts, look at the bandwagoner in the mirror!

    All these threads do is give the same people the opportunity to wheel out the same tired old speeches. The forum is intended to help people with their problems and not spout propaganda at every chance you get!

    For information, I have no sides in the argument. I have both D* DVRs and TiVo-based D* DVRs. In fact, I'm about to call D* to get them to replace a DOA replacement HR21.

    Yes, I prefer TiVo software, but I also realize the fact that D* has moved on and that ship has sailed.

    So don't attack me for my point of view. You don't see me launching personal attacks on anyone I disagree with, do you? At least I explain my position! Try something that many people here find difficult, apparently - think for yourself!

    If you have an opinion and would like to discuss it, do it where it should be - in a discussion area, not in a help forum.

    Otherwise, don't waste my (or anyone else's) time with innane rants and unfounded accusations.
     
  11. Aug 13, 2008 #31 of 286
    bazooka17511

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    I am not going to do a personal attack, but I am with blankman on this issue. In response to your post the name of the forum is DirecTV HDTV TiVo Powered PVRs Not DirecTV HDTV TiVo Powered PVRs With problems!:rolleyes:

    In my opinion why cant there be room at D* for both interfaces. Give a choice and make 100% of your customers happy instead of 60-40 Which is the 60 and which is the 40 is clear in the poll results.

    I would come back to D* if they offered a S3 HD MPg 4 tivo with all the features of the S/A.
     
  12. Aug 13, 2008 #32 of 286
    CuriousMark

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    I currently use DirecTV SD receivers with two Series 2 TiVos. In the next year I plan to buy an HDTV and will want to get an HD DVR for it. At that time, if DTV does not have an HD TiVo with MPEG4 I will probably switch to cable. The pipe is not important to me. Having a consistent user interface on all my DVRs and the ability to MRV between them is more important to me. If DTV cannot give that to me, then they aren't competitive and will be left in my dust as I move on. Hopefully DTV will offer something I am interested in by the time I add HD, but if not, no biggy, cable has never been better or worse for me. (We originally joined DTV based on price over cable, but the difference was marginal and would pales in comparison to wanting a consistent UI).

    I noted that some here thought that supporting a TiVo would mean giving up their own DVR offerings. I don't see why that would or should be the case. Is DTV's desire to control the UI so important to them that they would drop customers? Perhaps that is so, but I don't understand why as it doesn't seem to make economic sense.
     
  13. Aug 13, 2008 #33 of 286
    RS4

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    I think that makes the most sense. We have no idea of the economics involved, but I'm sure a pricing structure could be made where both D* and Tivo could benefit along with the customers - even if they do it like they do Tivo now, where the client pays a fee to Tivo.

    Direct would have a lot more happy customers if they were offered a choice.
     
  14. Aug 13, 2008 #34 of 286
    RS4

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    I find it hard to understand your logic. This Tivo forum has always been about Tivo questions and ideas related to Tivo. In fact, we find the same kinds of questions being asked several times, but the proper response is to answer the question in a helpful way, or ignore the thread.

    Likewise, there are many threads offering suggestions or asking for opinions - and there have been ever since I first looked at this forum years ago. I'm not quite sure why you find it necessary to voice your displeasure if you don't like a particular thread.:confused:
     
  15. Aug 13, 2008 #35 of 286
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    Would I like to see a TIVO offered by DTV - sure

    Would I buy a TIVO offered by DTV - maybe

    Am I happy with the current HR2X HD DVR offered by DTV - yes

    Could the HR2X be improved on? - Yes, just like everything else including TIVOs

    Is the HR2X better then the 10-250? In many cases yes, in other cases no. If they could only combine the best features of each one ;)
     
  16. Aug 13, 2008 #36 of 286
    bigpuma

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    I must have missed when you actually posted a link to this data. I have seen you make this statement about the "real" numbers but never see a link. Perhaps you have provided it in the past but I would suggest bookmarking these surveys so you can post a link when you make these claims. That way I would know what you were talking about. Not that I don't trust you. :cool: :)
     
  17. Aug 13, 2008 #37 of 286
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    you'll keep on waiting - he/she can't produce what doesn't exist.
     
  18. Aug 13, 2008 #38 of 286
    20TIL6

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    Right. Why can't DTV allow TiVo to be offered for a premium over their standard DVR fee? Like $6 for the DTV DVR fee, and $9 for the DTV/TiVo DVR fee. DTV and TiVo could split that $3. TiVo gets a license fee, DTV gets a bit of scratch to help with support of the additional platform, they BOTH get more customers, and DTV DVR customers and TiVo DVR customers BOTH get what they want.

    Does DTV need to do this? No, they don't. But I really can't see where such a deal would hurt them in any way. Continue to develop the feature set on their in-house platform, let TiVo do the same for their platform. Let the consumer decide if the TiVo platform is competitive enough to pay the extra $3.

    To me, there is obviously still demand for TiVo on DirecTV. It's like the war on drugs sort of.... if you legalize and then tax the crap out of the demand, you end up with more than enough revenue to support any ill-effects of the consumption. Imagine if DirecTV funneled their portion of the "TiVo tax" into the further development of their platform, and made it even more competitive feature-wise (at an already lower fee). That would be quite the TiVo addiction recovery program.

    But to deflect inevitable flames, let me say again, DirecTV is not in any way driven to do this. Their core service is superior to anyone else, save FiOS. But unlike FiOS, DirecTV is available nearly everywhere. Their DVR platform is not what gains them customers, and they don't need it to.
     
  19. Aug 13, 2008 #39 of 286
    TonyTheTiger

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    Pot, meet kettle!

    Again, pot meet kettle!


    I'm not getting into it with you again. You KNOW my sentiment, especially when people who don't have D* or even own D* equipment come here to stir up the whole thing, spouting non-existent or extremely biased "polls" and "facts" (mostly the former).

    As for your last statement, I merely responded to the OP with an opinion of my own. Something wrong with that?

    AFAIK, pointing out the futility of wishing for something that ain't going to happen is not against the rules. At least I'm not ramming it down their throat like others do.

    If you read the whole thread, you'll see that I'm the one being attacked here.
     
  20. Aug 13, 2008 #40 of 286
    BlankMan

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    I've seen that you resort to this in other threads. Claiming to be the innocent victim being attacked. Hint Hint: It not working.

    Your first post was that this is a useless cause, give it up, this thread should not have been started, it's been done, yada yada yada. Antagonistic. Fine. That's your opinion you expressed it.

    If this subject is such a useless cause, waste of space and your time, why do you keep posting to it?? Very hypocritical. And that's not an attack, that an observation based on your behavior.

    And from the looks of this thread, others share my opinion, so please go find a different thread to antagonize.
     

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