Walking Dead OAD 27-Nov-2011

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  1. Nov 28, 2011 #21 of 134
    DreadPirateRob

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    That ending was epic. I totally did not see that coming, although I knew it immediately once the rest of the zombies coming out of the barn were down, but you heard one more inside. Interesting that Rick had to be the one to put Sophie down, though, despite all of Shane's bluster.

    There are certainly a lot of storylines set up for the 2nd half though: Is Shane going to keep spiraling out of control? Is Rick going to have to do something about Shane? Can he? How is Herschel going to deal with his world being turned upside down? Will the group stay on at the farm, or will they be forced to leave? If the latter happens, will they leave without a fight? What is going to happen with Dale and Shane? And that's leaving out the tawdrier storylines (whose baby is it? Is Daryl finally going to shack up with Carol? Is Andrea going to solve the Dale/Shane fight by having a threesome with them? ;))
     
  2. Nov 28, 2011 #22 of 134
    DreadPirateRob

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    Herschel said that wrangling zombies had been Otis' job. Otis died the first night that they got to the farm after Carl was shot, before the rest of the group got there, and before they started to re-organize the search for Sophia. Herschel may well have not known who exactly was in the barn at this point, as we never saw him actually go in there.
     
  3. Nov 28, 2011 #23 of 134
    robojerk

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    I don't see that as an excuse for Herschel, if you're going to gather people up that you think are out of their mind sick, you should keep track of them. What if they started hurting each other, or gotten sick with something else? Also the way Herschel ran his farm I think he liked to keep informed of everything. If Otis found the girl, I'm sure he told Herschel (or someone else) before he went out hunting and accidentally shot the boy.

    The only excuse Herschel has is that deep down he knew the 'people in the barn' were dead, and was too weak to face them himself, and that's how/why the girl was overlooked.
     
  4. Nov 28, 2011 #24 of 134
    ClutchBrake

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    I liked the last minute of the episode, though I saw it coming the second there was one zombie mysteriously hanging back.

    I just don't think I'll be back for the rest of the season though. I don't like the characters.

    Rick: Too many foolish decisions and has no spine as a parent.
    Lori: Whines all the time and is a bad parent.
    Dale: Sanctimonious. And the storyline with Andrea is old and annoying.
    Andrea: Why do they keep her around? She has proven herself nothing but a liability.
    Shane: I actually dislike him less than Rick and Laurie. I don't always buy his acting though.
    Carl: Holy cow can that boy heal. He doesn't annoy me per se, but the fact that his parents suck does.
    Carol: Once on the farm did she ever actually participate in the search for Sophia or just complain because everyone else wasn't doing enough?
    T-Dog: I don't dislike the guy, he's just barely existent on the show.

    Glenn: I like Glenn. Not enough time this season though.
    Daryl: Really like Daryl. Wonderfully written and a great performance by Norman Reedus. Really the only reason I kept watching this season.

    Maggie and Hershel were quite good.
     
  5. Nov 28, 2011 #25 of 134
    DevdogAZ

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    They pretty much confirmed in the Talking Dead, with Robert Kirkman as a guest, that Hershel didn't know Sophia was in there, because Otis had been the one catching the walkers and putting them in the barn.

    I didn't see that final scene as Rick being the only one with the guts to make the hard decision to shoot Sophia. I saw it more as everyone deferring to Carol as to how she'd like to handle it. They could have easily subdued Sophia and let Carol have a few last minutes with her before they shot her, so I thought it was kind of lame that Rick went and shot her without letting Carol have a say.
     
  6. Nov 28, 2011 #26 of 134
    robojerk

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    I did not see Talking Dead, but now I understand why everyone keeps repeating that it was Otis's job. My Sunday night line up is full WD, TAR, OUaT, HoW, Dexter, etc..

    Regardless, I still like to think my question stands. Just because Herschel didn't know doesn't mean the our group of survivors knew Herschel didn't know. Daryl almost died out there, meanwhile Herschel has a barn full of zombies and one of them was Sophia.

    If when Herschel took Rick out there to capture the 2 walkers. if he said something like "this was Otis's job..", then when Sophia emerged from the barn he could have said something to Carol/Rick like "I didn't know she was in there," it would have allowed the writers/show runners to explain their story better, and only eaten up 3 seconds of screen time.
     
  7. Nov 28, 2011 #27 of 134
    nataylor

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    I think it was much more powerful to not have anyone talking.

    And we still haven't seen the fallout of that scene. I'm sure things with Herschel will be quite strained from now on.
     
  8. Nov 28, 2011 #28 of 134
    Gerryex

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    I agree 10000%!!!!!!

    Gerry
     
  9. Nov 28, 2011 #29 of 134
    markz

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    As to why they (the characters) keep anyone around...

    For as flawed as these people may be. the world as they knew it is over. These people are all the have left of humanity to hold on to. I don't think I'd wanna go running off on my own just yet. Heck, they kept Daryl and look how he started out.
     
  10. Nov 28, 2011 #30 of 134
    DevdogAZ

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    The actual elapsed time from when Sophia emerged from the barn until she was shot and the episode ended was only 10-15 seconds. They could have shown Hershel's face with a stunned reaction indicating he didn't know she was there, but to have him talk during that final, climactic scene would have ruined it.
     
  11. Nov 28, 2011 #31 of 134
    DreadPirateRob

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    That's exactly what he did.

    As for the ending, it was much more powerful in this ep to have it be wordless. Herschel can try and explain in the next ep.
     
  12. Nov 28, 2011 #32 of 134
    DreadPirateRob

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    Indeed. Plus Andrea is youngish and hot. You never want to get rid of those types too early. ;) On a serious note, if you ever plan on rebuilding human civilization, you are going to need women of childbearing age. I'm not sure that this group is thinking that far ahead though.

    Besides, I don't think Andrea is the liability that ClutchBrake claims she is. Sure, she tried to give up at the end of S1, but we have to remember that she had just lost her sister at that point. She's starting to turn the corner and get her fighting spirit back, and it's really only been a matter of days (in storytime). And she's also turning out to be quite coolheaded and handy with a gun, and you need as many of those people as you can get right now.

    In fact, you can make a pretty good argument that, based on the above factors, she's one of the more indispensable people in the group.
     
  13. Nov 28, 2011 #33 of 134
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  14. Nov 28, 2011 #34 of 134
    markz

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    Here's an interview with Kirkman about last night's episode:

    http://goo.gl/XiGDX

    He talks about whether Herschel knew about Sophia or not.

    He also calls the barn scene “Barnageddon”. I like that!
     
  15. Nov 28, 2011 #35 of 134
    Rob Helmerichs

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    zalusky

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    I would imagine Herschel was much more stunned watching his wife, son and good friends just get blown away then he was to say something about Sophia.
     
  17. Nov 28, 2011 #37 of 134
    DevdogAZ

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    It's ironic that Shane instituted the massacre of the barn walkers to make the farm safer for them to all stay there, but it will end up being the catalyst that forces them to leave.
     
  18. Nov 28, 2011 #38 of 134
    Maui

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    Well, that would have been completely hypocritical of them now wouldn't it?

    We are going to kill all of your relatives who are in the barn without giving you a chance to say or do anything about it but when one of ours stumbles out we are somehow going to defer the killing and give Carol a say?

    I think it was the hard decision and the fair one considering what had just transpired. It was still heartbreaking though.
     
  19. Nov 28, 2011 #39 of 134
    DevdogAZ

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    But they'd known those "people" were there all along and should have already come to grips with the fact that they'd been turned. They also could have gone to the barn to "visit" them anytime they wanted. With Sophia, everyone had been holding out hope that she was still alive, and so there was only a few seconds between the reveal that she was a walker, to Rick gunning her down. Since they had those leash sticks and since Sophia was the last one and was relatively small, it would have been pretty easy to subdue her at least for the couple minutes it would have taken for Carol to say goodbye.

    But obviously, that wouldn't have provided the powerful visual that we got, so it's clear why they did it the way they did. I just think that if that situation were to really happen, everyone should have looked to Carol to see how she wanted to handle it, not just have Rick step up and shoot her.
     
  20. Nov 28, 2011 #40 of 134
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