Vudu vs Unbox on TiVo

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by MickeS, Sep 7, 2007.

  1. Sep 7, 2007 #1 of 29

    MickeS Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002


    I just watched this review:

    Seems like an interesting competitor to Unbox. Anyone tried it and have a direct comparison? The main advantage to me seems to be the instant play. The guy says VQ is very good, anyone seen it?
  2. Sep 7, 2007 #2 of 29

    MichaelK Active Member

    Jan 10, 2002

    theres mention aorund here that unbox is working on instant play- but i'm not clear if it's for PC only users or also on the tivo...
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #3 of 29

    d_anders Sr Legacy Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Twin Cities...
    They're working on instant play (aka watching the incoming stream once some has buffered to a minimal point) for TiVo too. It was mentioned specfiically in the recent quarterly investor call by TiVo's Sr. Mgmt.

    Infact it's mentioned specifically on this thread:
  4. Sep 8, 2007 #4 of 29

    clem2270 New Member

    Oct 2, 2003

    the link is bad.
  5. Sep 8, 2007 #5 of 29

    MickeS Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002


  6. Sep 8, 2007 #6 of 29

    anom Enlightened

    Apr 18, 2005
    This thing has gotten decent reviews, but something about paying $400 for the privilege of paying again to watch a movie rubs me the wrong way. Plus, the rental limitation seem to be similar to those for Unbox (ie you only have one day to watch the movie), which are way too restrictive, and I'm sure not paying $15-$20 to "own" a movie on VuDu, since to me owning a movie means being able to take it off the hard drive and watch it somewhere else if I want.

    It's a non-issue for me anyway, since my DSL is too slow for VuDu to work.
  7. Sep 8, 2007 #7 of 29

    MickeS Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I agree with you anom. I'm mostly just curious about the video quality, because everything else seems virtually identical to Unbox (except for the instant play, which as mentioned above TiVo is supposedly working on fixing).

    I mean, if the video quality is way ahead of Unbox, then I could see the appeal, but if it's just slightly better, I would be more inclined to pay $200 more and get a TiVoHD with 3 year sub.
  8. Sep 9, 2007 #8 of 29

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    Isn't that the same thing people do when they buy an HD-DVD/Blu-Ray Player? Or how about an XBox/PS3? They require $50-$60 games to actually do anything. I know they're not exact comparisons, but they are similar in that you have to buy an expensive box then have to turn around and pay more for content to actually use that box.

    I personally am going to seriously consider one of these when they come out. Based on what I've read the video quality is far superior to most competitors and actually in line with upsampling DVD players. I'll probably try one out at BestBuy or the like to see for myself, but it sounds promising.

  9. Sep 9, 2007 #9 of 29

    smak TV MA SLV

    Feb 11, 2000
    NoHo, CA USA
    Was this the one where he said that all 5,000 movies have the first 30 seconds on the hard drive for the instant play?

    That's a pretty ingenius idea there.

  10. xunil76

    xunil76 New Member

    Apr 1, 2005
    this is not quite the same XboX/PS3 has more uses than just playing movies (and you can rent the games, so you don't necessarily have to spend $50 - $60 on the games), and with a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, you have a disc to play, which means you're not limited to a 24-hour period to watch the movie before you have to pay for it again. in my area, all the movie rental stores give you 5 days before the movies have to be returned....and there's also the option for rental programs like Netflix & such. hell, even the crappy DivX on-demand discs back in the early days of DVD (not to be confused with DivX-encoded media files) gave you something like 2 - 3 days before you had to pay to watch the movie again, and you even had a physical product that you owned.

    then add to that the fact that if you buy a movie on this service, you cannot even make a backup copy of it onto a disc, so if your box's hard drive fails, you're screwed (or at the very least, you have to use up your own bandwidth to download it again).

    the main thing with these types of products, really, is not the actual technology, unfortunately....there's a lot of awesome tech out there, including this's just being held back by the RIAA/MPAA and the record companies/movie studios who are trying to give you less for the same or higher price (i.e., you don't even get a physical product, or the ability to create a "fair-use" backup of your purchased content).

    sorry, but if i want to rent a movie, i'll go to the video store and get the actual disc that i don't have to return for 5 days....and if i want to buy a movie, i'll go buy the disc that i can make a backup of, and actually have a physical product for my money as well....
  11. mick66

    mick66 Dirty Burger

    Oct 15, 2004
    The 'verse
    It's not even on the market yet.
  12. Hawk1

    Hawk1 New Member

    Sep 8, 2004
    Yes, but a review also mentioned that the first 30 seconds of every movie are only production company logos, so it seems like a waste of hard drive space to me. I usually jump right past those (and I can't imagine most people don't), so I'd be caught up with and waiting for the download anyway. I can deal with delaying the start of the movie for a couple minutes by getting refreshments or something rather than sitting through the logos.

    I think a better idea may be for the hard drive to contain movie previews, and then an algorithm could be used to play a couple of those that might appeal to a similar audience as the selected film, for those who want the 'instant play' feel. The viewer would also have all of them available for off-line browsing, as well.
  13. anom

    anom Enlightened

    Apr 18, 2005
    Sort of, but there are a few differences, the main one being that if I buy a DVD, I can play it where I want. If I buy a VuDu movie, I can only watch it on their player.

    To me, it feels like buying a juke box, but then having to put a quarter in myself whenever I wanted to play a song even though I owned the thing, then having the guy who sold me the juke box come over to my house once in awhile and collect the money. I know that's a flawed analogy, but it still bugs me.
  14. MickeS

    MickeS Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    The interesting to me is the video quality.:) Anyone know how they achieve a higher quality? Are TiVo/Amazon underestimating their audience, or limited by technological shortcomings of the TiVo hardware?

    I have played back bit-by-bit DVD rips on my Series 2 that look exactly like the DVD - I don't understand why TiVo/Amazon can't offer that on Unbox, if a service like Vudu can offer that quality or higher.

    If this thing sells OK, I gotta say that TiVo has really missed the mark with Unbox - they should be able to use it to sella lot more units, when a TiVo has much more to offer than just movie rentals/purchases, at a total price with 3 years service that's not much higher.
  15. davezatz

    davezatz Funkadelic

    Apr 18, 2002
    Fairfax, VA
    As far as I know they don't have a brick & mortar retail presence and the video is upscaled 480p. My $400 Xbox 360 rents me true HD movies and does a whole lot more. I also had a Moviebeam which offered true HD, though the content selection was small. Hopefully, TiVo will have HD video downloads one day, but I wouldn't count on it this year. Wonder what Netflix is cooking up... whatever it is, I guarantee it won't cost as much as $400.
  16. Einselen

    Einselen ɹǝsn pǝɹǝʇsıƃǝɹ

    Apr 25, 2006
    Hasnt this idea been around for awhile? I remember hearing about MovieBeam ( over a year ago. How is this that much different?
  17. megazone

    megazone Hardcore TiVo Geek

    Mar 3, 2002
    I think Vudu is a complete waste of money. There are other options which do more for the same, or less, money - like the XBox 360, Apple TV, TiVo with Unbox, etc. $400 for a box that just allows you to run downloads, when other products do the same for less AND give you capabilities like game play, disc playback, DVR, etc. AND Vudu *requires* a 2Mbps broadband connection to work since it pulls the movies in real-time. And it also uses your upstream bandwidth to deliver content to other Vudu users - so it will interfere with devices like Slingbox by competing for bandwidth.

    It does too little for the price. Avoid it - wait to see if the price comes down or if it even survives. This needs to be a *service* bundled with other hardware.
  18. bilbo

    bilbo New Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    Free pilots of Bionic Woman and Journeyman are available now.

    Also available (for free): Chuck and Life.
  19. Ishma

    Ishma New Member

    Sep 8, 2006
    DOA... No way this product will survive. I can't see any benefits to it.
  20. MickeS

    MickeS Active Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    I gotta say I agree.

    It's like AppleTV without the name recognition.

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