Video on demand coming to TiVo DVRs

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by slimoli, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. morac

    morac Cat God TCF Club

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    There are a number of "VoD" implementations that don't require streaming. Amazon, XBox and Playstation are just a few and they were able to get licensing agreements. As long as TiVo has a DRM that prevents copying of VoD recordings (and they do) the movie companies should be fine with it. In fact there is already a "keep at most 90 minute" flag on the TiVO which could be used with this.
     
  2. lew

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    The question is if there are enough customers using tivo for VoD for Netflix, Seachange etc to re-negotiate their existing licensing agreements to allow for tivo D/L. Tivo doesn't even let us D/L Youtube videos.
     
  3. Videodrome

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    The problem with streaming is there isnt enough saved to deal with bumps, I would prefer just to download it, and just have it expire after about an hr.
     
  4. slowbiscuit

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    I'm trying to get excited about this as well, but I have to agree with moyekj - most of VOD is junk you've already DVR'd or don't care about. Or it's overpriced movies. But even if the offerings were better, the thought of it being an HME app is a huge turn-off. If the ultra-slow Tivo Beta Search is any indication, I won't be using it much because it's too painful to navigate on current-gen Tivo HDs.
     
  5. beady

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    With FIOS if you subscribe to any of the movie channels you get the On Demand channels for free. It gives you more choices of what content you want to watch and when. It also means you don't need to have a Cable Company Box to access the VOD services. I'll gladly dump my FIOS DVR for a second Tivo.
     
  6. thebigshow

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    Somewhere in a very small office at Cox headquarters, a plan is being devised on how to charge me for this functionality.
     
  7. twhiting9275

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    I doubt that.
    Cox WANTS you to have VOD capabilities, because Cox makes money off of your purchases. They wouldn't charge you just for having the VOD feature, but they WILL make money off of your purchases.
     
  8. nirisahn

    nirisahn Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    But how do they make money off of VOD that is not PPV? VOD has lots of free stuff.
     
  9. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    It entices people to subscribe in the first place, or helps to retain them.
     
  10. twhiting9275

    twhiting9275 TV Buff!

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    How do they make money off of it in the first place, the "free stuff" that is.
    They make money by charging the content creator $X to show their "free content" based on subscriber count, or by promising the content creator X number of people will see their show, based on their subscriber count and averages.

    Either way, it's win/win for the cable companies that something like this could happen. THEY get their content out to more individuals, they get to tell VOD content providers (local access, etc) that they have more individuals, they get to charge more (from the provider) for this, and they get to make more off of user purchases. Win/Win.
     
  11. lrhorer

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    Exactly. I often see people in this forum complain about STB / DVR costs and how the CATV company dislikes TiVos (true, actually) because they want to charge people for their own STBs and / or DVRs. The fact is, however, most CATV companies make little or nothing off STB and DVR rentals. In fact, many actually rent STBs or DVRS at below what it costs them to deliver and maintain the units. Why? It's called a loss-leader. The amount of profit taken in for DVR and STB rentals is minuscule compared to the tier charges that go with them (which may or may not also be charged to Tivo subs) and VOD / IPPV charges. At best the cATV company may be making $3 or $4 on STB rentals, but some subs spend $200 or $300 a month on IPPV purchases. Some events reel in $50 a pop, although $5 is more common.
     
  12. BigTechDaddy

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    Please tell me this doesn't surprise you? LOL
     
  13. muerte33

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    Has anyone heard any more recent news on this development?
     
  14. lew

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    The press release is only a few weeks old. The projected implementation date is later this year, I'll speculate that means summer/fall, if all goes well.

    Tivo already streams VoD (youtube, Netflix,Amazon....) I suspect little (if any) changes have to be made to the software on our boxes. In other words I think this will be similar to the Netflix rollout, with very little advance notice needed or given.

    I think we'll either hear bad news or no news until a few weeks in advance. Maybe we'll more press releases as cable systems sign on.
     
  15. MichaelK

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    I'm not sure they would implement it the same way as netflix, amazon, or youtube. Currently all 3 are delivered on the "internet" bandwidth and not the "cable" bandwidth that cable typically uses for VOD. Also right now I think amazon downloads MPEG2 whereas netflix and amazon stream MPEG4. But if I understand currently cable VOD is streamed MPEG2.

    So that would mean a totally new system to serve video to the tivo.

    So maybe it will be just like the others curretnly playing with tivo so little code change on the tivo, but it might be totally different.
     
  16. wmcbrine

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

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    HME video streaming supports MPEG-2 just fine.
     
  17. MichaelK

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    I'm not doubting that at all- sorry i wasn't clear. my point was that MPEG2 takes more bandwidth- and that's likely the reason amazon has to be downloaded but the mpeg4 providers can stream.

    So trying to stream the same MPEG2 streams that cable puts out on a dedicated qam channel for their in house vod likely isn't going to work well if the public internet is used.

    So they may need to re-encode the cable version to a lower bitrate to get it to work over the public internet. So presumably they couldn't just use the same mpeg2 encoded content and send it over the public internet rather then a qam, they would need to have an alternate encoded version (a second system)
     
  18. moyekj

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    If the solution involves video over IP then I highly doubt it will be mpeg2 especially if HD videos are part of the mix. I sincerely doubt the solution will be VOD over QAM since that would require external IP interfacing to the cable headend which I just don't see cable companies opening up. So if I had to guess I would say it will be VOD over IP and H.264 or VC-1 compression and using download approach (like Amazon) instead of streaming approach (like Netflix).
     
  19. lew

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    Tivo is partnering with SeaChange, the company that developed the cable headend software being used by the majority of cable VoD systems. Anything is possible.
     
  20. angel35

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    When will we get all this??
     

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