Veronica Mars s4 e08

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  1. Frylock

    Frylock Well-Known Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Just West...


    I think it can be implied, but it just seemed to go on longer than needed. I agree it ties in with the new darker, adult look/theme the show is going for. Like I said before, I preferred the show pre-movie. With the movie and the new season, it went to a place I didn't enjoy.
  2. smak

    smak TV MA SLV

    Feb 11, 2000
    NoHo, CA USA
    Their were multiple sex scenes in seasons 1-3

  3. Frylock

    Frylock Well-Known Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Just West...
    I guess they just felt like they went on for longer than they needed to in S4. Again, I get that it ties in with the rest of the new direction Rob Thomas wants to go. I am curious to see how the larger VM audience responds, and if they get a 5th season or not...
  4. Amnesia

    Amnesia The Question

    Jan 30, 2005
    Boston, MA
    Personally, I vote for more Kristen Bell sex scenes...
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  5. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Palindromer

    Jun 25, 2002
    SF Bay Area


    Put me in the camp that loved this season.

    Am I sorry to see Logan go? Yes, absolutely... I was sorry to see my grandmother and one of my best friends go earlier than they should have... Life goes on... And I agree with what has been said that people do not tune in to watch a perfect and uneventful life unfold in front of them. There needs to be conflict. There needs to be loss.

    Do I agree with the specific loss that they delivered? No...I don't... But I am willing to follow the story into Season 5 (assume we are blessed with another season).

    Maybe this opens the door to a reluctant strengthening of the Leo relationship. She clearly has had feelings and "lust" for him over the years. I hope she doesn't immediately "jump his bones". But I could see a cautious romantic relationship building in a follow-up season. And because she will always feel a loyalty to Logan, she will constantly be battling the disloyalty to Logan versus the need to "move on".

    I don't know. I really love this season. They did a good job. It was much better than the Veronica Mars theatrical release IMHO.
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  6. zalusky

    zalusky Well-Known Member TCF Club

    Apr 5, 2002
    Cupertino, CA
    I think the thing about the movie is it was just 90 minutes to tell a story and not 8 or 22 episodes. It's hard to build the same kind of depth and surprises that we have learned to love in only 90 minutes. They basically had to get Veronica out of her Piz life and back home, have a mystery, and get her to stay in Neptune and throw in all the cameos for the fans. This 8 episode arc did much the same at a slower pace. The brought in cameos for fan service. They brought back the snark. They had a big transition. The big differences I saw were the bedroom scenes, swearing, and more gore (but no blood) so to speak.
  7. smak

    smak TV MA SLV

    Feb 11, 2000
    NoHo, CA USA
    Well, in the movie they never had to have her in NY in the first place...

  8. getbak

    getbak Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2004
    Calgary, AB
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  9. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

    Apr 16, 2003
    I loved the way Enrico Colantoni plays that as one of the horrible actors you always see on ads for local businesses. I'm not sure what KB was trying to do.
  10. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent. TCF Club

    Nov 14, 2001
    Houston, TX
    I just finished. Lots of thoughts that I will have to post later, but I wanted to get a few big and small ones out now.

    I agree with all of this. I've posted in other threads that I had a bad feeling about the direction of the season. For spoiler reasons I didn't want to say why, but it was exactly as smak said here: I accidentally caught sight of a headline (to the aforelinked Rob Thomas interview by Sepinwall) mentioning the dark ending to the season. I didn't see one referencing Logan, but it was pretty obvious that it meant that someone was going to die, and the candidates were Keith and Logan. I was dreading it being Keith for several episodes, because of course the show was leading us in that direction. But as I posted last episode, it had started to become obvious that Logan was the more likely candidate. And I knew it would be him as soon as I queued up this episode and saw the title of it.

    Also knew that Penn had left another bomb immediately when Veronica talked to him in the car after the school bomb was defused. "My contingencies have contingencies!"

    Decent fakeout for a moment with Don. I wondered mildly why Clark Duke was playing such a bit part, so of course I bit temporarily when it seemed like he might be the bomber.

    I liked that Wallace was at the wedding. Would have felt very wrong had he not been there, despite his marginal role this season.

    I think I've recognized all the old cast members this season on sight, but I never would have recognized Parker. Not in a million years.

    I think I will expound upon this more later, but I am not bothered by the choice of killing Logan now that it has happened. To each their own how they feel about it, but we have to recognize that this has always been a very dark show. Veronica was raped. Lilly's killer was exonerated. We've had sexual molestations, child abuse, countless murders, on and on. It's noir. Sometimes it didn't feel like it back on the network (Rob called their style "color noir" then), but it was. This was a genre-appropriate development, like it or not. Obviously plenty don't, but I can accept it on that basis. I've never been a fan for the LoVe of it.

    More later.
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  11. HarleyRandom

    HarleyRandom Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2015
    TV Guide said there would be a tragedy at the end. I didn't like reading this ahead of time but at least I was prepared. And it made things exciting because every few minutes something terrible was likely to happen. I was really hoping it wouldn't be Keith. I didn't really have feelings for Logan but when it did happen I felt so bad for Veronica.

    I was really glad Keith's memory problems didn't turn out to be anything that couldn't be fixed.

    Watching "The Goldbergs" may be different for a while. I watched an episode I had recorded but not watched and found myself thinking about this show for some reason. Of course! Pizza Guy is the narrator!

    But I really didn't want him to be the bomber.

    And I just saw a Farmer's Insurance commercial online. That's going to be weird for a while.

    Matty is a good detective and she should go to work for Veronica.
  12. HarleyRandom

    HarleyRandom Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2015
    Or Michael Cordero.
  13. Wil

    Wil Unknown Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    Late to the end because we re-watched the whole series and the movie first, then season 4 in controlled batches.

    Liked it, a lot. Satisfying ending. We are not put off that these are not mysteries, even on such a superficial level as Murder She Wrote. No clues, no logical path to travel with the writer to the villain, it's all event-driven in terms of the mystery solution and that's too bad but not a big deal given the series' other strengths.

    Pizza Man as the villain was potentially terrible, plot-wise very un-satisfying, but it worked with the added loopback so he became the villain twice; I liked it. Felt right. Logan was doomed from the start but there was a little bit of classic tragedy that made it OK. He had highs & lows, he strove, he was a good man with flaws, he reached a pinnacle, the marriage, and was destroyed. Felt right.

    The updated Nancy-Drew-based relationship between father and daughter is what sustains the show and who says you can't go home again. They did it perfectly with no staleness or sense that they were artificially running a set play, trying to duplicate an old success. It was all fresh, natural, believable.

    The focus is this very damaged and somewhat unpleasant leading character, who of course has to be almost perfectly beautiful and has a good degree of self-awareness and sometimes a yearning to be better, else all we'd have is unpleasant. Thomas et al are keeping this going and I see no sign they can't keep it going forever.
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  14. cstelter

    cstelter Active Member

    Mar 17, 2002
    Mankato, MN
    Just finished. I figured the "three laps around the sun" meant 3 years since pizza guy got dunked in the ocean, but I guess science is just bad everywhere. I was on high alert when Penn had to grab "something" (which turned out to be the backpack) just before leaving, thinking they were foolish for believing it was just spy gear. So the ending was not really all that shocking to me.

    I rather hated the "contingencies having contingencies" bit. I guess Penn could have grown to despise the Mars' because they had suspected/caught him. But to suggest the limerick was really about the backpack bomb intended for Veronica seems to me a stretch. I suppose possibly he only faked having to disarm the bomb at noon and it too was originally set to go off at 5pm. But why leave that limerick and then intentionally plant one bomb to go off at noon at the school and have to rely on manually positioning a bomb for the limerick time of 5pm? I don't know-- I guess it just seemed a bit contrived.

    Overall though, I thought it was an entertaining series.
  15. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

    May 17, 2001
    We just finished watching last night. I hadn't seen any of the headlines/articles mentioned here, about a "shocking" ending, but for some reason I had a gut feeling right off the bat that someone important was going to die in this season. Obviously they wanted us to think the worst regarding Keith, but when Logan was called up and had to leave without seeing Veronica (and left her that voice mail), I expected him to be killed in action. When he made it back home, I thought OK, maybe it is going to be Keith.

    I knew for sure the backpack was a bomb when Penn got out of the car without it when they got the to warehouse to look for Don. Why make a special point to bring it, only to leave it in the car when they got where they were going? (And why didn't either Keith or Veronica think of that?) And then when nobody ever mentioned it again, I knew it would somehow end up being Logan who died.

    We only watched two episodes the first night of our binge, and I wasn't wild about it. Coming off our binge of the original seasons and the movie, it seemed like a really big departure in overall vibe. Which, of course, it is. But within the first few minutes of episode 3 it (or maybe I) clicked into gear and I loved it again. Fully on board for more seasons.
  16. eddyj

    eddyj SeƱor Member TCF Club

    Jun 20, 2002
    South Florida
    Well, the first episode voice over made it pretty clear that there would be an unhappy ending.
  17. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

    May 17, 2001
    I don't remember that, but I maybe that's where it came from.
  18. sushikitten


    Jan 27, 2005
    I knew Logan's death was coming due to spoilers but I actually searched them out to read about it beforehand so I could understand why it was written that way. And it actually helped.

    I love a happy love story ending as much as the next person, and I'll take Logan eye candy all day and night...but it fits the series and Veronica's character going forward. And I'd rather see more VM going forward than have it end right here. (Though if they'd killed him in the line of duty I might never have recovered.)
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  19. JYoung

    JYoung Series 3

    Jan 16, 2002
    Los Angeles
    I still wish that they could have killed off Piz instead though.
  20. ej42137

    ej42137 Well-Known Member

    Feb 15, 2014
    Los Angeles
    No, Logan had to die in order that the series continue; but they could have killed of Piz too!

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