Veronica Mars s4 e08

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  1. eddyj

    eddyj Señor Member TCF Club

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    I called it as soon as he went to move the car. But I am still shocked.
     
  2. zalusky

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    Part of the logic of moving the car is the timing. They seem to imply that the bomb was set for 5pm. He could have easily moved the car 5 minutes earlier or have 5 minutes late and the bomb would have gone off. I suppose they could have been a motion switch but then why show the clock.

    The foreshadowing that was interesting was when the Mexican mobsters were watching the house to take her out earlier and complained about her not moving the car.
     
  3. deaklet

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    Marshmallows, I am gutted. I ugly cried the moment I knew it was going to happen. That said, I agree with Rob Thomas in that a happy Veronica is not an interesting Veronica. The tension between Logan and Veronica in this season was riveting and compelling. If Veronica is satisfied, there's no itch for her to scratch. No compelling social reason for her to keep at the bad guys.

    The ending fits with the darker theme we'd seen all season. I was prepared to see Keith go. When he didn't, I knew we were going veeeery dark.

    I don't want to do a season of VM without Logan. But I am loath to do a season of VM with Undead Logan.

    In the end, I applaud Rob Thomas for not going for the milquetoast ending so many reboots are using to eke out another season.
     
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    So count me as someone who didn't like the new season. I miss the original series where they dealt with serious issues, but did so with some humor and lightheartedness. This season had too much darkness. It also felt like it strayed from the OG Veronica Mars. Too many guns. Too much needless sex scenes. Too much literal darkness (every scene seemed to have a dark look to it). And ofcourse, the ending was just awful.

    I respect Rob Thomas wanting to make a different show, but it's not a show I am personally interested in watching.
     
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  5. eddyj

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    I must say, reformed Logan was boring. Yes, he was good eye-candy, but he had lost the edginess that made him interesting, that made him Logan. That is what killed him, more than the bomb.

    Once Veronica agreed to marry him, you had to know something drastic was going to happen (although I thought more being sent away rather than blown up).
     
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  6. Rob Helmerichs

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    Or him running away (which they faked towards)...
     
  7. Lori

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    I'm not sure that I really mind ALL that much that they killed him. I mean, I think that there are other ways to get him off the canvas that are less lazy, but I'd deal with it. I got over (Whedon-verse spoilers below)
    Tara...sort of and Fred....sort of...and Wash...sort of.
    I would have gotten over this.

    I mind very much that they killed him with Veronica standing there in her tossing wedding dress. It was unnecessarily cruel. And this show is now dark in a way that is gratuitous, and mean, and there's enough of that in the world today.
     
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  8. eddyj

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    You say unnecessarily cruel, I say a much needed kick in the ass. Veronica was in a rut, and not exactly the nicest person, in this season. Something like this gives her reason to re-evaluate everything, and hopefully we end up with a better Veronica. Yes, a big price to pay, but I don't think it was thoughtless or just done for the cruelty factor.
     
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  9. Rob Helmerichs

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    The thing that bugged me the most about Logan's death is that it was the consequence of Penn's "brilliant plan"...which was really pretty idiotic. It counted on nobody noticing a pretty big bag left in the car, and it counted on somebody being in the car when the bomb went off.

    Then again, that's pretty typical of Veronica Mars...the mysteries tend to be pretty cringe-worthy, and that has never really mattered in the past because it's all about the characters. But this cringe-worthy plot device had, shall we say, consequences. And it absolutely did NOT earn that level of consequence.
     
  10. zalusky

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    Not only that but to be in the car at exactly 5PM not 5 minutes earlier or later. Also why was the cop car coming up behind him with the lights flashing. What cop car does for a street cleaning violation which technically usually occurs during the day and not at night.
     
  11. eddyj

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    That's the reason I thought he might still be alive, the cop car made no sense other than giving him an excuse to step away from the car before it exploded. But that interview above pretty much says he is quite dead.
     
  12. dswallow

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    I never was under the impression the bomb was set for a specific time; it was triggered by either starting it or sitting in it or some combination; it's just that the street cleaning movement of the vehicle ensured that someone would be moving the vehicle by that time.
     
  13. eddyj

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    They only showed Penn leaving the bag there. Not sure how he could have wired it to the ignition or seat.
     
  14. zalusky

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    Thats the only thing that makes sense but in TV land they kept showing the clock.
     
  15. zalusky

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    True the interview says that but I also think the writing was done in such a way to give them an out if needed. You never want to box yourself in completely or you go the Bobby Ewing joke route. You can see they did it in such a way to allow themselves the ability to say in a future season:

    1. He is dead
    2. In a Coma
    3. Was saved by the police and Veronica tells him goodbye to protect him AKA Mission Impossible and Ethan Hunt
    4. He is still around and we just did not see him and she is on a job to find the rest of the murderheads
    Look at the ending of the Sopranos "Spoiler Alert"
    Did Tony get whacked or not? It was left completely vague even though David Chase believes he was whacked.

    I do agree that its best for her character development to let him go at least for this reboot.
     
  16. Rob Helmerichs

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    It was set to go off at noon Fiji time. That's how Veronica finally figured out the limerick.
     
  17. DevdogAZ

    DevdogAZ Give 'em Hell, Devils

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    Too much needless sex scenes? There were two scenes in eight episodes. And they were not overly long or gratuitous.
    I didn't get the impression that Penn had a brilliant plan to kill VM or Logan. Just that his plan was for the bomb to go off at noon Fiji time. We have no evidence to support the fact that he planned the school bomb as a diversion so he could get the bag into VM's car. What if VM hadn't turned her sights on Penn and had instead believed the ruse that Don was the bomber and killed himself? Would Penn still have figured out a way to put the bag in VM's car, or would he have planted it elsewhere? For that matter, if VM hadn't interpreted the limerick as the bomb being at the school ceremony, would that bomb have actually gone off or was that just a decoy all along?
     
  18. Rob Helmerichs

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    I got the impression from Penn's taunting that he had manipulated the situation to make Veronica the limerick's hero at the school. That he kept nudging her towards the school.
     
  19. DevdogAZ

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    I suppose that's possible. And probably what the writers intended. But it just seems like so many things would have had to fall into place perfectly if that were Penn's plan from the outset. It just doesn't seem plausible for him to have planned everything to happen the way it did.
     
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