Veronica Mars 5/10 "Leave it to Beaver" *Spoilers*

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  1. Rkkeller

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    I think the comparison is there because not many shows have great finales.



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  2. jschuur

    jschuur TV-holic, improving

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    What happened to Bad Ass Veronica? It seemed totally out of character for her to get all damsel in distress in the end, screaming for help. I expected her to put up more of a fight.

    Although in her defense, she was being chased by a mad man, who locked her in a fridge and tried to set her on fire.

    While I also think the writers don't know yet who was at the door, isn't Ducan still together with whatshername?
     
  3. Rob Helmerichs

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    She's a bad-ass when she has the upper hand, and can intimidate people through her superior knowledge of their evil deeds. In this case, she was in a physical fight with somebody three times her size, and nothing she knew was of any use whatsoever. I think it was very in character for her, when in a rare moment of NOT being in control of the situation, to freak out. Control freaks usually do.
     
  4. cmontyburns

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    And she did drive her car into a tree (or whatever it was).

    An aside, related to that scene: Anyone catch the logo on the flower truck that hit Echolls at the end? It was hard to read the second word in the name (possibly "productions"), but the first was Thomas, as in Rob Thomas, VM creator.
     
  5. cmontyburns

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    That does sound sort of reasonable, but I'd really like there to be some other explanation. It's hard to see how Jake Kane wouldn't know what Clarence was up to, and also hard to see what Mrs. Kane gets out of it, short of revenge maybe... but that's a dangerous game to play, given that both Keith and Veronica are still in town, are both adept at sleuthing, that Keith knows as much as Mrs. Kane does about the situation, and that the Kanes are trying to cover up what they believe to be the murder of their daughter by their son.
     
  6. Jonathan_S

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    I suppose you could consider it part of the Kane attempts to get Keith off their case. Just like the stuff they did to get him fired as sheriff.

    Maybe they though with Mrs. Mars missing the Keith would stop looking into the Kanes and start trying to track down his wife. Or possibly, that instead of her running they originally intended to force her to cause the family to move away from Neptune.
    If so it backfired on them.

    Not a great explanation, so hopefully something better will turn up in season 2.
     
  7. wouldworker

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    I watched the finale again last night, and I'm still disappointed by how it all turned out. The show relied all season on clever twists and good old-fashioned suspense. This episode resorted to horror movie cliches (murderer hiding in the backseat; Veronica moving slowly to try to get her phone, giving Aaron time to wake up) and a badly choreographed fight scene (come on, a metal crutch is not going to even slow someone down). It also bugs me that Lilly is dead just because she slept with a psycho. It's almost a random killing. There was nothing clever about it.

    Veronica did so many stupid things that I wondered what was going on. Jumping to the conclusion that Logan was the killer just because his alibi no longer held up? Nobody's alibi held up. They needed more evidence before accusing him of murder. They had nothing other than the fact that he was in town when the murder occurred and that he saw Lilly that day. Must have been dozens of people who could say the same.

    When Veronica figured out that Aaron was the killer, why did she leave the Kane house? Why didn't Keith tell her to stay? Why not call the cops and rejoin the party? I know we need a reason for Aaron to be able to attack, but it is out of character for both Veronica and Keith to be so stupid. The writers should have found a better way to get Veronica into Aaron's clutches.

    If Duncan is at the door, I might not be able to watch next season. Is everyone forgetting that Duncan is also nuts (I don't think it's all due to the medication)? Besides that, Teddy Dunn is a terrible actor. A Duncan/Veronica romance will drag the show down.

    I'm hoping it's Weevil and he's there to tell Veronica that he found Logan on the bridge and stopped him from jumping (at Veronica's request). That's a reason for her to be hoping to see him - it means that Logan is okay. I can't see Logan showing up himself because he's probably passed out somewhere and he should still be mad at Veronica. They don't have to get back together, but Logan is such a good character that the show will lose something without him.
     
  8. bryan314

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    First off please no Duncan and Veronica romance next season! I know they tried to show him in some sympathetic light but he's just a jerk. In the year since Lilly's death Veronica has gone from vapid and self centered to an independent young woman. She's grown as a character. Duncan, on the other hand, has not. He still the same shallow character from a year ago. He had suspicions about Lillys death but did nothing but stick his head in the sand and alienate Veronica.

    As for the murderer, I liked the ending but still feel a little cheated. I'm of the mind the killer should have been a character introduced in the pilot. While i know they probably left the killer open at the start of the series in case of cast changes , I still think originally they were going to have it be Celeste but I can live with how id ended. At least it ended and wasn't dragged out for many years like any other tv series would have.

    The door. I think it's either Wallace or the nice cop dude. Cop dude wasn't even on my list earlier until another post but he's now at the top. Him and Wallace are the only ones who would go to check that Veronica is alright. Logan is #3 he has grown a lot as a character. I hope they continue his development and keep him and veronica together for a while.

    Paternity test. Handled very well but they should have just left it open. Regardless of her biological parent Keith Mars is her father and the one she takes after the most.
     
  9. Jeeters

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    She too ALL the tapes she saw. They even showed Aaron checking the cubby hole where they'd been and the hole was empty.
     
  10. cmontyburns

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    As I posted earlier, I have some of the same issues with the logistics of the resolution, vis a vis the slasher movie cliches. Also: yes, Lilly's death was pretty random, but I made my peace with that a long time ago. The way the clues/investigation unfolded, every development was pretty much aimed at giving or removing alibis; there was never (or very seldom) any development of motive, other than possibly the jilted or jealous lover. It seemed pretty clear that there wasn't going to be, for example, some sort of conspiracy or even premeditation revealed at the end. So I thought it played out just the way it had been heading all season, even if some sort of monster twist at the end might have been cool.
     
  11. bbstarky

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    Someone made this point on another message board:
    Also, he came to her house in the middle of the night a lot.
     
  12. uncdrew

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    Just watched the finale (yes, a bit late).

    It's totally Wallace at the door. I have absolutely no doubt.

    For those of you who missed this show, you gotta see it. It really is great.
     
  13. JimSpence

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    I just rewatched the season frinale and am ready for the new season to start.

    So who's at the door?
     
  14. Neenahboy

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    I rewatched it last night as well. It was definitely better this time around. I also think it's Wallace at the door.
     
  15. David Platt

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    Regarding who's at the door...
    In a TV Guide article, Rob Thomas says that it is *definitely* either Logan or Duncan.
     
  16. Neenahboy

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    Meh. He's throwing us off. ;)
     
  17. uncdrew

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    Yup, don't believe that for a second.
     
  18. DreadPirateRob

    DreadPirateRob Seriously?

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    First off, great, great show. I'm glad that I picked it up on re-runs, because this may be my new favorite show.

    Don't have a whole lot to add to the breakdown - nice job, everyone, back in May - other than the ending. It seemed as if Veronica was definitely looking up at her visitor, which would seem to negate the possibility of it being Wallace, who is approximately her size, whereas Duncan and Logan are much taller.

    It seems a minor detail, but Rob Thomas has shown in the past that no detail is too small.
     
  19. Zevida

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    I thinking the person at the door might have been the deputy in the sheriff's office that Veronica dated for a little while. Even though she broke it off with him and went for Logan, he still had a lot of affection for him and he would have found out about everything, working for the sheriff and all.
     
  20. wouldworker

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    There was probably nobody standing there when they shot it (he would only be in the way, causing shadows and reflections), so if she looked up it was most likely because that would be more natural than looking down or straight ahead for someone as short as she is.

    It shoud be Wallace, probably is Logan, and had better not be Duncan.
     

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