Veronica Mars 5/10 "Leave it to Beaver" *Spoilers*

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  1. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

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    My guess was that it was Wallace at the door, although it was written so it could have been anybody.
     
  2. dtle

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    Anyone noticed the cop-boyfriend was nowhere to be seen? I guess they drop the whole plot.

    Here's another question for next year:

    Will Veronica be part of the "In" crowd of high school?
     
  3. Jonathan_S

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    While she might suspect that the note had been kept in the pen, she also knew that Weevil had already gotten to the pen and emptied it. So there wouldn't be any reason to go to Lilly's room looking for the pen.

    Now that might have been a reason to try to break into Weevil's place, but that seems like a much riskier proposition.

    I did like the nice touch where Lilly was in too much of a hurry to screw the AC vent back in place before slipping out to the pool, so the vent was still unscrewed when Veronica got to it.
    However that really should have been a plot hole, since the Keith and the police went over Lilly's room. While they might not normally think to check behind the AC vent, the screws hanging out of it should have been a big hit to look. Which would have led them to the incriminating video tapes much sooner.
     
  4. Jonathan_S

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    After getting a movie star and the richest guy in town arrested? (who are also the fathers people prominently in the "in" crowd). I'm betting not :D
     
  5. soupcan

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    Actually, I'm pretty sure that Aaron Echolls was in the process of unscrewing the vent when Veronica entered the room. When Veronica dropped the catering tray outside it gave him warning that someone was coming. While Veronica and Duncan were in the room there was someone watching from the Closet. He must have hidden in the closet and then didn't want to confront Veronica until she was on her own, thus he hid in her car. The sheriff's deputy who came with the search warrant to the Echolls' house earlier in the episode mentioned that they wanted to search Logan's airvent since "sometimes kids hide things in there". Since the tapes had never surfaced, he realized that they were probably hidden in the air vent in Lilly's room. Thus, thats why he went looking for them at that party, being the first instance after realizing this that he'd be able to get into Lilly's room.
     
  6. Jonathan_S

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    Ah. That would make sense. Especially with all the camera shots to the partially opened door.

    On the other hand, Lilly never did screw the vent back in, she just shoved it in place. Although I suppose the Kanes might have screwed it back in place without looking as part of their crime scene "clean-up".
     
  7. WinBear

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    Interesting way to connect the dots, soupcan. I like that line of thinking. I'm guessing no one thought to look there at the time of the murder since she was killed outside and the Kanes' already had their plan worked out.

    Also, dtle, Veronica's deputy date wasn't featured since the storyline required the A-hole sheriff that took Keith's job, pointing out that he hadn't made any progress either.
     
  8. wouldworker

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    Nice first post, soupcan. I had figured the rest of that out, but I thought it was strange that Veronica dropped the serving tray for no reason. Now I know why. Thanks.
     
  9. soupcan

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    Yeah, when she dropped the tray, my brother and I joked about how that must have been an outtake that they decided to keep in. Then it ended up being significant. I really like how things seem to come together nicely in this show. I think it will be a good show to watch again on DVD to catch some of the smaller occurances like that.
     
  10. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

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    Echoing everyone else with kudos for this observation. I didn't mention it in my prior post in this thread, but one other thing that bothered me about this ep is what Aaron was doing just hanging out in Lilly's closet to begin with. Your explanation for that is perfect. Really sustains my admiration for the writing in this show. It's very clever, and rewards attentive viewing.
     
  11. holee

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    I liked it, but the resolution wasn't as huge as it could have been. There's no way there were any significant clues throughout the season that led to the solution, and Veronica just realizing where the stash was?
     
  12. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

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    Are you saying it felt like luck? I sort of know what you mean, but realistically there wasn't a whole lot more that they could have done, I don't think. There just aren't that many characters available to draw from, and pulling in someone new at the last minute to pin it on wouldn't be satisfying at all. As far as the clues go, I like what they did. There were enough clues throughout the season that contributed to the final solution, and many of the rest proved irrelevant but led to new thinking that in turn led to the the next clue. And if some of it played like luck, I'm even OK with that. I think all of that is sort of how most real investigations go.
     
  13. AJRitz

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    holee - I have to disagree with you that the conclusion wasn't related to the clues that built up over the course of the season.
    1. A good part of the season was spent eliminating other, seemingly more likely, candidates.
    2. We learned that Aaron Echols has an incredibly violent temper.
    3. We learned that Aaron Echols, at least until very recently, had virtually no functional relationship with his son Logan (such that it would not prevent him from sleeping with Logan's girlfriend).
    4. We learned that Aaron Echols has a thing for young blondes (the pumpkin carver)
    5. We learned that Lillly liked to do things that would make her mom mad - it's not that much of a stretch from sleeping with Weevil to sleeping with one of her mom's peers.
    6. We learned that Lilly liked to have little hiding places - the pen, for example. Nice dramatic irony that she learned the vent trick from Logan.
    7. We learned that the Kane family is obsessed with keeping Duncan's health issues a secret, and that they're willing to do almost anything to protect that secret (which is what created the problem with finding the true killer in the first place - they thought they knew the answer, but they were wrong).
    8. Much of the early part of the season had to do with getting through the Kanes' smokescreens to uncover the real facts, so that those facts could be used to begin finding the real killer.
     
  14. Jonathan_S

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    And I liked how Lilly hurrying to get away with the tapes caused her to run the red light. A nicely understated pay-off if you payed attention watching. (Didn't make a big deal out of it, you could just see the red traffic light off behind her to the side of the screen while the camera was focused on Lilly driving.

    Since discovering that is one thing that really restarted Veronica's investigation (finding out that Lilly ran a red light after her official time of death). Now we know why she was in enough of a hurry to blow through a stop light.
     
  15. whitson77

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    This was a great season. I hope people catch on in the summer and start watching. I think the writing is smart and the cast is great. My wife was freaking out during the whole fire starter scene.
     
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    Preppy766 The Real Clark Kent

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    I was so excited to watch that I watched it before work:)

    Yaaaaa! Post 1k
     
  17. gerbil42

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    I was so burning mad last night. I turned this on to watch the finale, only to find out that it was pre-empted here locally in central Washington (we get our UPN feed from UPN 11 in Seattle) and Charter was showing Charter Cable Marketplace....

    Thank God for torrents.

    AJRitz is the man. Nice call.
     
  18. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

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    I also thought it was Wallace at the door. I don't think it's Duncan: remember his father was also arrested, for obstruction of justice. It seems weird he would show up at Veronica's at 3am after that.

    Great episode, I thought. They cleaned things up pretty well and didn't leave any large holes (that they didn't want to leave). I thought the acting was also not that bad, considering. Both of Veronica and Keith's scenes ("I'm your father, Lu...er, Veronica" and "Who's your daddy?") and also Jake's scene at the end when he goes after Aaron... these could all have ended up as groaners but they pulled them off pretty well I thought.

    Can't wait 'til next season!
     
  19. cmontyburns

    cmontyburns Excellent.

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    I actually went back and watched the scene with Veronica and her dad a second time, I thought it was so well-played. The two of them play off each other very well. I'm not sure there's a better parent-child relationship depicted on TV today, unusual though this one is.
     
  20. AJRitz

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    Why do people think that that it was Wallace at the door at the end? Why would Veronica be "hoping it was you?" I can think of at least three more likely candidates:
    1) My favorite candidate - Logan Echolls. He's cleared of Lilly's murder, he wasn't the perv who'd set up the cameras, and the resolution of Lilly's case means as much to him as it does to Veronica. Veronica was hoping it was him so she could apologize for thinking he was the killer.
    2) Weevil - All the same reasons as Logan, except for the boyfriend part.
    3) Duncan - all of the above, plus the new info that they're definitely not siblings and didn't commit incest.
     

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