Verizon penalizing TiVo / CableCard subscribers

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jerryr001, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. Jan 29, 2013 #61 of 130

    Thos19 Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Rockland, MA


    Wow. When I was with Comcast, it was $1.50/mo for the first one and the second one was free for my S3 OLED. At $5.99/mo, you've already paid for a new M-Card after 6 months !

  2. Jan 29, 2013 #62 of 130

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

    May 6, 2002
    Actually, it's supposed to be the other way around. According to their rate sheet, no charge for the first card in a device. $1.50/mo for the second card in the same device.
  3. Jan 29, 2013 #63 of 130

    wmcbrine Well-Known Mumbler

    Aug 2, 2003
  4. Jan 29, 2013 #64 of 130

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

    Jan 14, 2011
    Phoenix, AZ
  5. Jan 29, 2013 #65 of 130

    innocentfreak Well-Known Member

    Aug 25, 2001


    If it is like the change from $2.99 to $3.99, it will only affect people if they sign up now or when you change your package and renew your contract.
  6. Jan 30, 2013 #66 of 130

    TerpBE Go Terps!

    Jan 23, 2003
    Philly 'burbs
    I had 3 Cablecards with Fios, but I was only using 2 of them, so I shipped one back.

    When they received the one I sent back, instead of removing a Cablecard from my account, they ADDED one. So I have 2 Cablecards, but they're charging me for 4. I've been trying to get this straightened out since August, and they still haven't fixed it.
  7. Jan 30, 2013 #67 of 130

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    When I was with Comcast I had six cable cards for my three S3(OLED) boxes. But they charged me zero for all six cards. It was a shock when I went to FiOS and I got charged $2.99 per card. And then they went to $3.99 a card.
    I hope the cable card price doesn't go up to $5.99 for existing users. IF so I really need a six tuner TiVo and the Mini to be released soon. Then I can drop down to one cable card. When the mini gets released at least I can go down form three to two cable cards.
  8. Feb 5, 2013 #68 of 130

    Tivoitis Member

    Sep 12, 2005
    So I wound up buying two and trying myself. I got various answers from Verizon tech support: some saying it was possible and asking me for all the cablecard info, and then trying to enter it into the Verizon systems, while others claimed I had to have specially made Verizon cablecards or that it simply wasn't possible to use outside cablecards. After several hours, it was apparent that it wasn't working. I tried again a couple of days later, and this time while I was waiting for a tech, the TiVo tuned in one the local channels. It's a limited set, but it is all the local channels, so I'm satisfied enough to return one of my Verizon cards. I had two Verizon m-cards driving my two THD's, and just bought a new Tivo Premiere 4, so now I'll keep one Verizon m-card to drive my Tivo Premiere 4, and run my two THD's with the eBay sourced m-cards.
  9. Feb 5, 2013 #69 of 130

    tatergator1 Well-Known Member

    Mar 27, 2008
    Columbus, Ohio
    Those stations are broadcast Clear QAM and the only thing your CableCard is doing is mapping the actual channel numbers of the signals to the virtual channel numbers that Verizon uses. If you were to pull the CableCard and have only the coax running to you box and run a manual channel scan, you'd find the same channels you get with the CableCard plugged in, they would just be on random station numbers. However, channels located via the manual scan would not be associated with the guide data.

    If you're happy with the clear QAM channels only, those CableCards will be a nice savings over the monthly fee.
  10. Feb 5, 2013 #70 of 130

    Tivoitis Member

    Sep 12, 2005
    Ahhh ... good to know, thanks! I'm just glad that my purchases won't go to waste.
  11. Feb 6, 2013 #71 of 130

    satyenshah New Member

    Feb 6, 2013
    Time Warner is pulling the same nonsense as Verizon. If you are receiving a promotion that includes a cable-box, then your effective rate will increase if you return to a box and switch to the CableCard.

    Time Warner's argument is that the "bundled offers" regulated by the FCC apply to "packages" but not limited period "package promotions". So, if the cable company offers you a promotion lasting 2-years that includes a cable-box, then that is not a "bundled offer" so your rights to switch to a cablecard don't apply.
  12. Feb 7, 2013 #72 of 130

    audiodane Member

    Oct 28, 2009
    This is exactly what I'm wanting.. is to just get the channel map data for the 5 free broadcast channels (nbc, cbs, abc, pbs, fox) .. I'm on Knology but someone pointed me to this thread.

    I'm more than happy to purchase some CC's on ebay just to get the above-mentioned 5 channel map data on my S3HD. Question is, is that really all there is to it? Do I need to make sure and buy a particular brand or model number? Several years ago all I needed to do on my S3OLED and my dad's S3HD was to go say, "use digital lineup, get cablecards later," and I could get those 5 channels immediately.. For some reason the same trick does not work now, 2 yrs later, on another S3HD. I don't know why. The S3OLED and other S3HD both still tune those channels just fine.

    I have a theory that there may be stale channel map info from the previous owner that I cannot seem to wipe even when re-running guided setup on my newer S3HD.. but that's just a wild guess..

  13. Feb 7, 2013 #73 of 130

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

    Feb 4, 2008
    And I thought the Comcast position was BS. Have you challenged with the FCC?
  14. Feb 7, 2013 #74 of 130

    mattack Well-Known Member

    Apr 9, 2001
    You need whatever brand your cable company uses.. i.e. Motorola or the other one.. AFAIK, other than that, they're all the same technology wise.. (but each cable company has the IDs of "theirs", which is why you can't get them registered for premium channels for example).

    I bought a used Tivo (for parts), and it had cable cards in it.. Now I've ended up mixing at least one of those in with the ones I'm paying for, I think. My Tivo HD was getting the 'expanded basic' up until recently (a week or so ago), but now e.g. Comedy Central is a black screen. I haven't switched cable cards in a few weeksÂ…. so I wonder if I have one of the 'wrong' ones in there that was finally eventually locked out.
  15. Feb 8, 2013 #75 of 130

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    I have a feeling that on Comcast you'd get stuck on the 'Acquiring Channels' swirl screen if the card is not authorized. I've seen this before on multiple Tivos, so I'm not sure you can get a map with a purchased card on that system. But if the card's cheap enough I guess it's worth a shot.
  16. Feb 8, 2013 #76 of 130

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    If the cable card is set up already for your system (has the correct channel map) it will work for about 30 to 45 days, after that time the card will go dead because of an internal timer. This is to prevent someone activating a cable card with all channels than putting in a trap so that the cable co. can't communicate with the card than you cancel all but basic, for about 30 to 45 days you will get the full line up as the cable co. can't turn your card off.
  17. Feb 8, 2013 #77 of 130

    audiodane Member

    Oct 28, 2009
    Yea, I'm real confused by all this.. the ebay cards that Tivoitis purchased.. did he then activate them with the cableco? If so, then alright.. I'm just trying to get channel mapping for the free broadcast channels, since that's primarily what we watch. The question is whether I can get a cablecard and use it just to get the free broadcast HD channel map information without having to go through the cableco at all.

    I spoke with knology about it yesterday and the story is that I need a "digital outlet" for each cable card.. So if I need three cablecards, they'll charge me three "digital outlet" fees ($10/mo) plus the cablecard fee ($1.95/mo).. They say that each "digital outlet" enables them to communicate with its respective cablecard.

    Obviously I'm not signing on to that with them JUST to get the right free broadcast channels..

    Here's what's really weird. The Tivo S3OLED and Panasonic TCP50G10 TV that were both bought about the same time (2009) can both tune the free broadcast channels 901-905 (cbs/nbc/abc/pbs/fox) just fine. Tivo and TV both.. In the bedroom, neither the S3HD nor the TV (toshiba 40e210u) can tune 901-905. When I try.. nothing. Bring the S3OLED back to the bedroom, it can tune 901-905 just fine, so NOT a problem with the coax itself.. And btw, NO devices have cablecards.. S3OLED did for a week, Panasonic TV never did.. S3HD I don't know, I'm the 2nd or 3rd owner. It might have had one installed in the past, I have no way to know..

    So.. *IF* Knology has moved channels around, why does my TV and S3OLED still tune them, if they don't have any cablecards to get updates from?? If knology has NOT moved them, then why can't at least the TV in the bedroom pick them up? ... That continues to absolutely baffle me..


  18. Feb 9, 2013 #78 of 130

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    Have you tried a channel scan and then making sure those channels are selected?

  19. Feb 9, 2013 #79 of 130

    Tivoitis Member

    Sep 12, 2005
    I didn't/couldn't activate my eBay M-cards. I'm assuming I receive just these local channels in clear QAM and that's why I can see them on my Tivo HD's, but I don't really have any test equipment to verify. I do keep one active card that I rent from Verizon, so that may help with my situation. Your mileage may vary, but if I were you, I'd buy just one card off eBay and give it a shot.
  20. Feb 9, 2013 #80 of 130

    audiodane Member

    Oct 28, 2009
    Yup.. In a channel scan, they don't even show up.. I will have to look again, but I think they DO show up on different xx-yyy channels, but not 901-905. I'm too scared of loosing them to try a fresh channel scan on my S3OLED.

    I just checked the panasonic TV again.. no longer 901-905. So clearly the channel map has changed. Only my S3OLED at this point maintains the 901-905 mapping. But it doesn't have a cable card. It did for about a week, a year ago, but not since.. weird..


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