Verizon Fios

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by quaa714, Sep 29, 2007.

  1. ah30k

    ah30k Well-Known Member

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    Bryanmc,
    They work just fine. You need an IR-blaster to the Verizon STB though to get any more than a handful of channels.
     
  2. Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    Ok, good to know.

    I remember the IR blaster days from waaaaaaaaaay back. :D I guess we'll go with that for now and see how well it works.

    Thanks!
     
  3. dslunceford

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

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    I thought you could use serial with the standalone VZ box? Just need to power off the vz box, connect the serial, turn on VZ box then run setup on TiVo to use serial. Plugging in Serial to a running vz box evidently wont work. Or did I misread this somewhere?
     
  4. ah30k

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    Yes you can use serial. That is what I do. I simply fell into the IR-blaster response out of habit.
     
  5. Bryanmc

    Bryanmc I'm normal.

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    Even better, thanks again!
     
  6. westcoastexport

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  7. Generic

    Generic Now in Dolby Digital

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    Verizon has 12,000 VOD titles. How much will be enough? As far as the movie selections, it is up to the movie companies on what to show and not Verizon.
     
  8. tboggs13

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    Although they have many titles in VOD, I don't think any of them are HD. I am getting particular about what I watch since I got the widescreen. Can't handle paying $4 for a movie to watch it in 4:3.

    Also, I was recently upgraded to the new interface on the FIOS DVR and in my opinion it is worse than the last one. It seems that I have to click a lot more to accomplish the same task. The interface doesn't even let you roll around from the low number channels to the high number channels.

    Plus, it missed recording Heroes on Monday. :mad:

    So, I have the FIOS Media DVR that lets me watch recorded shows in other rooms for $20 a month (I hear the price went up for new subscribers). Unfortunately, if you record in HD, you can't watch it on the connected STBs. You can't connect the HD STB's to the Media DVR and you can't connect additional Media DVR's to each other. So, if you are recording in HD, you are unable to utilize the sharing feature.

    I have been told that the CableCard from FIOS is $2.99 a month.

    I was considering getting a TiVo before the FIOS upgrade, but this has expedited my decision. I am a previous user of ReplayTV and that was much better than the FIOS DVR is today. I can only imagine that TiVo far exceeds it.
     
  9. JohnBrowning

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    You MAY be able to use serial. It doesn't seem to be consistent. I've never been able to use it in Plano, TX.
     
  10. ah30k

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    All the Verizon footprint should be able to use the serial port (if your STB has a serial port). I posted a thread a while back about having to have the headend send an init to your box for the change to take effect. Back then you could send a hit yourself by calling the support phone number.
     
  11. dslunceford

    dslunceford Well-Known Member

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    Here's your original post, thanks for pointing it out...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=354779

     
  12. Ziggy86

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    I thought I read somewhere on this board that the cable companies will be able to make Tivo unusable if they make some kind of change. Can someone tell me what it was that they can do and is it worth spending 399 on an S3 if this can happen in the near future?
     
  13. ah30k

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    The thing you are talking about is SDV. See this FAQ. http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=357703
     
  14. Ziggy86

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    Thanks :up:
     
  15. mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    If you're getting FIOS then you should really consider the S3 Tivo or Tivo HD. Your S2 Tivo and DT Tivo are only capable of viewing and recording standard definition programming. With either of the HD Tivo models you can view the HD channels and play them back at 480i if you don't currently have a HDTV. You'll see a better picture than you'd get by recording from the analog or the SD digital channels. Besides, what better excuse for taking the HD plunge if you haven't done so already? If you haven't, then what are you waiting for?

    All standalone Tivos degrade the original image quality since the set-top box has to decode the digital signal and convert it to analog to send to the Tivo. The Tivo then has to reconvert it back to digital so it can record it to the hard drive. It converts it back to analog again when outputting the signal to your TV. If you have one of the HD Tivo models and an HDTV there is zero degradation since the signal stays in the digital domain throught the entire process. There is also the added advantage of beiong able to keep the Dolby Digital soundtracks intact with the all-digital HD models as opposed to the SA Tivo or DT Tivos. The Dolby Digital audio gets stripped out when it's converted to analog.

    Using a Tivo with a STB is cumbersome and costly, not to mention that you end up with a lot of boxes that take up space and consume more electricity. Consider the monthly cost of operating a S2 Tivo or DT Tivo plus the STB's and the S3 Tivo or Tivo HD becomes the much more cost effective option.
    While it is true that you'l lose the VOD and other interactive features available with the Verizon STB's you can still use Unbox if you really want to download movies.
     
  16. dslunceford

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    But of course, each situation is different. I'm putting a THD in the media room and family room, but hooking up a S2 DT in the bedroom, which has an older TV and will for a while. The THDs were $254 a pop, the S2 was *free* (took advantage of AMZN deal of $99 with $100 TiVo service card). With a serial cable to control channels, the setup really shouldn't be more cumbersome than the THDs.

    As to cost effective, it will cost me $13.25 per month for the S2 ($99 per year service + VZ charge of $5 per month for standard box); the THDs will cost me $35.42 per month each ($99 per year service + VZ cable card charge + hardware cost/12)
     
  17. mr.unnatural

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    Ellicott...
    Considering that you can resell the Tivo HDs you really shouldn't factor their cost into the equation. The monthly Tivo service fee is the same regardless of which Tivo model you own so that's also a wash. I don't have a DT Tivo but I believe you're limited to a single tuner when using it with a STB since there's only a single coax input that's split internally. If you have an antenna or analog cable feed that you can connect without using a STB then you're in good shape. Otherwise you're limited to using a single tuner in your DT Tivo. You'd need two SA Tivos and two STBs for the same functionality a Tivo HD with cablecards can provide.

    You should also realize that your 2nd and 3rd Tivos will cost you less if you go with the MSD instead of paying for a year's service contract in advance. Your numbers don't add up unless you only plan on keeping the Tivo HDs for one year. In reality, the depreciated cost will be much lower since you'll probably have them for several years at a minimum, but I'm just guessing.

    My S3 Tivo with cablecards only costs me about $14.21 per month. The 2nd S3 I have costs me even less with MSD. Of course, I have a 3-year commitment on both S3's for the lowest rates possible (prepaid for the 1st one and monthly on the 2nd). I also get to record in HD using all four tuners.
     
  18. dslunceford

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    You can resell the S2 as well (especially when the net cost is $0). Heck, I'm selling a bunch of S2 DirecTV TiVos right now -- they still have value!

    Well, that's a pretty big loophole. For FiOS, there are 49 analog stations in their lineup, including all locals. Most other large providers will keep analog for some time as well, so dual tuners work just fine for a lot of folks.

    I didn't amortize the value of the THDs in my numbers, I just looked at first year hard costs. Also didn't mention that I have an old S1 with lifetime on my account which is how I came up with the $99 per year per box service (the new MSD prepaid annual rate).

    Sounds like you were lucky enough to retain the MSD previous pricing...my 2 THDs will be $14.25 each month for service with cards, but my commitment to TiVo will be only annual. The S2DT will be only a buck cheaper, $13.25 per month, but I didn't have another $253 upfront equipment cost.

    Bottom line, I still disagree that if you are getting FiOS that an THD or S3 is the most cost-effective option. If you don't have HD, nor do you plan to upgrade to one anytime soon, an S2 could be a viable option -- to each his own.
     
  19. JohnBrowning

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    I know. I tried it when you first posted it and a couple times since. I've never been unsuccessful. Although, since I don't have a Verizon phone number, trying to get through to any useful person at FiOS customer is more difficult and painful than doing a heart/lung transplant on myself!!!!
     
  20. segadc

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    Hey everyone I am new (as you can see).

    Couple questions. My parents decided to get Fios TV but still want to use their Tivos S2.

    Before (since they have one tuner) they could record a show and put tivo on standby mode. Then they could just change the tv to another show. Can they still do this with the STB and Tivo? It seems like I can connect the STB to the serial connection. Do I have to buy a serial connection or did it come with the Tivo. They will have have to find the box if that is the case.

    Anythying else I should know about? I am going to do some research but I want to be fully prepared. Thanks. :)
     

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